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Oklahoma Department of Health regarding death certificates. Warren was the informant:

Item 14. Decedent's Race

Show the informant the "race" information on the death certificate. Ask the informant to indicate the race or races that the decedent considered himself or herself to be. Enter the race or races of the decedent as stated by the informant. If there is no checkbox for the informant's response for one or more race, check the "Other (Specify)" box and enter the informant's literal (written) response, even if the response is not a race(s).​
 
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Rejection by the Native American tribes means nothing here. The tribal leaders specifically told the people to NOT participate in the collection and identification of DNA. The companies went to groups that are genetically similar and descended from the same lines and got relevant data. You don't get to complain after refusing to participate. The genetics of north American and south American tribes are related since the south American tribes were formed from the northern tribes and humans spread in the new world. In the absence of a genealogy showing Central or South American predecessors, it would be accurate to say that the DNA is North American Native American.

Accurate or not, the particular tribal information was passed in the family history. It may be accurate or it may not, but it was accurate to the best of her knowledge. In the past, people would have hidden the fact that they (or their forbearers) were Native American. It has only really been a thing in the last 50 years or so to proudly acknowledge it. Because of this much of what was passed down in families is as much mythology as fact in this area. That said, a small percentage DNA result can either represent statistical noise or genuine heritage. Since one cannot prove statistical noise, it is reasonable to assume that some time in her family's past there was a person who was native.

If she had been claiming tribal affiliation, that would have been wrong. She said that she has native American ancestry and the DNA shows that this is true.

Warren claimed to be a Cherokee.
 
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Warren claimed to be a Cherokee.
As I said, that comes from stories handed down to her. She would have had no reason to disbelieve what she had been told, so accurate or not she would have been telling the truth from her perspective.

Most low blood quantum folks that claim indian blood are most likely going to claim Cherokee. The Cherokee readily intermarried with Caucasians early on so many stories originate early on.

BTW, it is possible fo a person to have matrilineal DNA (mtDNA) from one of the Native American lines and show no native markers in the rest of their dna. It has happened more than once.
 
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Rejection by the Native American tribes means nothing here. The tribal leaders specifically told the people to NOT participate in the collection and identification of DNA. The companies went to groups that are genetically similar and descended from the same lines and got relevant data. You don't get to complain after refusing to participate. The genetics of north American and south American tribes are related since the south American tribes were formed from the northern tribes and humans spread in the new world. In the absence of a genealogy showing Central or South American predecessors, it would be accurate to say that the DNA is North American Native American.

Accurate or not, the particular tribal information was passed in the family history. It may be accurate or it may not, but it was accurate to the best of her knowledge. In the past, people would have hidden the fact that they (or their forbearers) were Native American. It has only really been a thing in the last 50 years or so to proudly acknowledge it. Because of this much of what was passed down in families is as much mythology as fact in this area. That said, a small percentage DNA result can either represent statistical noise or genuine heritage. Since one cannot prove statistical noise, it is reasonable to assume that some time in her family's past there was a person who was native.

If she had been claiming tribal affiliation, that would have been wrong. She said that she has native American ancestry and the DNA shows that this is true.
Please. Please stop making sense. lol
 
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As I said, that comes from stories handed down to her. She would have had no reason to disbelieve what she had been told, so accurate or not she would have been telling the truth from her perspective.

Most low blood quantum folks that claim indian blood are most likely going to claim Cherokee. The Cherokee readily intermarried with Caucasians early on so many stories originate early on.

BTW, it is possible fo a person to have matrilineal DNA (mtDNA) from one of the Native American lines and show no native markers in the rest of their dna. It has happened more than once.
If it was handed down, Warren would have given the correct information on the grandmother's death certificate who handed it down to her regarding being part American Indian.

The Warren defenders are no different than those who defend the stupid lies and words that come out of Trump's mouth. Neither are defendable and they are battles that do not warrant being defended.
 
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If it was handed down, Warren would have given the correct information on the grandmother's death certificate who handed it down to her regarding being part American Indian.

The Warren defenders are no different than those who defend the stupid lies and words that come out of Trump's mouth. Neither are defendable and they are battles that do not warrant being defended.
Interesting. The RW has ONE ALLEGED lie, going back decades, on the part of Warren to obsess over.
The Liberals/Democrats have literally hundreds of lies, told on an almost daily basis WHILE sitting in the White House as President.
But yet you somehow conclude there is "no difference?"

So, you people do not understand the nature of QUANTITY as well as degress either?
 
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You don't have a clue how DNA works, it's that science stuff they don't teach in bible school.
You know what kind of DNA they have in Peru and Mexico and Columbia? It's called "Native American".
DNA doesn't change at the border, the test looks for genetic markers found in the original inhabitants of the Americas.

All the Original people, from Canada to Argentina are descended from 6 women, it's why they share the same genetic markers.


Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha


Greatest post

You believe this


All the Original people, from Canada to Argentina are descended from 6 women, it's why they share the same genetic markers


But make fun of Christians.
 
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Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha


Greatest post

You believe this


All the Original people, from Canada to Argentina are descended from 6 women, it's why they share the same genetic markers

But make fun of Christians.
Do you understand that you just supportted goober's comment?
 
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Rejection by the Native American tribes means nothing here. The tribal leaders specifically told the people to NOT participate in the collection and identification of DNA. The companies went to groups that are genetically similar and descended from the same lines and got relevant data. You don't get to complain after refusing to participate. The genetics of north American and south American tribes are related since the south American tribes were formed from the northern tribes and humans spread in the new world. In the absence of a genealogy showing Central or South American predecessors, it would be accurate to say that the DNA is North American Native American.

Accurate or not, the particular tribal information was passed in the family history. It may be accurate or it may not, but it was accurate to the best of her knowledge. In the past, people would have hidden the fact that they (or their forbearers) were Native American. It has only really been a thing in the last 50 years or so to proudly acknowledge it. Because of this much of what was passed down in families is as much mythology as fact in this area. That said, a small percentage DNA result can either represent statistical noise or genuine heritage. Since one cannot prove statistical noise, it is reasonable to assume that some time in her family's past there was a person who was native.

If she had been claiming tribal affiliation, that would have been wrong. She said that she has native American ancestry and the DNA shows that this is true.
She claimed she was Cherokee. That is not some random native background. That is very, very specific.
 
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As I said, that comes from stories handed down to her. She would have had no reason to disbelieve what she had been told, so accurate or not she would have been telling the truth from her perspective.

Most low blood quantum folks that claim indian blood are most likely going to claim Cherokee. The Cherokee readily intermarried with Caucasians early on so many stories originate early on.

BTW, it is possible fo a person to have matrilineal DNA (mtDNA) from one of the Native American lines and show no native markers in the rest of their dna. It has happened more than once.
Sure, but she checked the box. It is one thing to pass around family lore around the campfire it is a way bigger thing to check that box.

This is an integrity issue and has nothing to do w/ politics for me. This is a very, very shady thing to do. I have a lot of native friends and associates. they are constantly dealing people trying to get on their rolls so much so that some have closed them.

We have leftists crying cultural appropriation if someone has dreadlocks or dresses like a native for Halloween but for some reason this is so ok that they will actually defend it.

Shameful
 
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