- Nov 2005
Your responses aren't making any sense in the overall reality. It's like you are just saying things to confirm your own unrealistic view.Businesses who are concerned about getting sued aren't even going to hire your out and proud student to begin with.
Can you explain why I (as an out gay man) would be a risk in the first place?
1) Being sued is a concern for all businesses.
2) There are many states where discriminating based on sexual orientation is illegal.
3) It's much more economical and compliant with the law to punish (or eliminate) people who would make trouble that violates the law and hinders the work-place environment.
I can (and have) work with people who think being gay is a sin and that gays should not marry, without issue. We simply realized that such opinions are not conducive to the business for which we were employed and thus we did our jobs.
The intelligent response would be either to put the pit bull on a leash or to shoot the pit bull if it can't be made to behave.There is zero to suggest that teacher's are in any way successful is stopping bullying and harassment. I am not making anyone responsible for anything. I am accepting the reality that if there is a pitbull on the loose, throwing your cat out the front door because they have just as much right to be outside at the dog is not going to end well.
But of course, you want to cater to an attack animal...
I am applying a concept unilaterally, unlike you.No your actual formula is to service an agenda.
Quite frankly, the fact that you recommend gay kids stay in the closet demonstrates it's you who has the agenda. You have an even-minded approach for others that you refuse to apply to gays and you refuse to say why.
You seriously don't know much about this topic, do you...Pitbulls and kittens yet again. All I have suggested is that people use their individual discretion and not be lured into a huge mistake when the safety of classroom and your touchy feely teacher are not there.
You seem to think that gay kids being in the closet magically keeps them safe, when that is not the case. In fact, as I documented, gay-straight alliances successfully reduce bullying and reduce suicide.
No on all levels..Excessive bullying huh? you aren't interested in stopping all bullying just the kind the exceeds your tolerance level. People are responsible for their own safety. THAT is common sense.
They are kids, being forced to go to a school and denied many rights in the interests of education. As such, people are responsible for the safety and there are multiple successful lawsuits against schools which look the other way and let the pitbull run wild that have taught schools that they need to be responsible.
Claiming I am not interested in "stopping all bullying" is a dumb strawman argument you created and it shows your desperation.
The fact is it reduces bullying. Period.
The pit bull is being curbed and properly retrained or restrained, which is a good thing.
Are you seriously trying to pretend that the kids who bully LGBTQ kids should be considered as the victims?Strange that you only see gay kids as victims. Their aggressors are victims. Shouldn't we tolerate their behavior just as we do LGBTQ kids? What level of bullying do you find not excessive?
In many conversations, it takes some work to expose the absurdity of the other person's position.
I don't need to do any work as you just proved your own absurdity!
You really like your ignorance, don't you.The issue being discussed was schools teaching students not whether or not to have a club and a study of Canadian schools is hardly comparable to the zoo American public schools have become.
That was simply the first study I found. There are others showing the same thing in the U.S.
You make up delusions in your own mind and declare them as absolute. Pretending that just saying them makes them proof of your opinion, despite the evidence.
Quote where I mis-assessed your statements.And for the umpteenth time, what I have stated and what you perpetually mis-characterize is that this should not be part of the school's curriculum and should not be taught as an edict from on high. I have in no way suggested people should not have one on one discussions with people they feel comfortable discussing these things with. Quite the opposite.
Yet another example of you making claims with no evidence.And you need to learn how to make an argument to begin with. So far, all you have offered up is a bunch of nothing that does not comport with the reality on the ground. Biggest drivers of suicide among LGBT youth are lack of family support--which school instruction does not address--and maltreatment by peers, which your solution very likely aggravates,.
But for the moment, let's assume what you claim is true. So what.
The reality is gay-straight alliances do reduce suicide.
Just because you make up a claim and claim schools "do not address" that does not mean that what we are recommending is not an improvement.
Suppose we just continue to blindly make up things and say that the "lack of family support" ranks as #1 while school environment ranks as #9.
Does that mean we shouldn't improve the school environment???
Of course it doesn't. It's very myopic (and foolish) to think that an improvement shouldn't be adopted just because it doesn't address the biggest cause of a problem...