Should Rudy Giuliani be tried for treason?

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Rudy is proposing to collude with the Ukrainians in order to interfere in the 2020. Is this treason? Or is he just a bad lawyer?



Rudy Giuliani Plans Ukraine Trip to Push for Inquiries That Could Help Trump
Mr. Giuliani’s plans create the remarkable scene of a lawyer for the president of the United States pressing a foreign government to pursue investigations that Mr. Trump’s allies hope could help him in his re-election campaign.
 
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You know what's the damnedest thing about this?

Trump won the bloody election.

A Ukrainian-American operative who was consulting for the Democratic National Committee met with top officials in the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington in an effort to expose ties between Trump, top campaign aide Paul Manafort and Russia, according to people with direct knowledge of the situation.​
The Ukrainian efforts had an impact in the race, helping to force Manafort’s resignation and advancing the narrative that Trump’s campaign was deeply connected to Ukraine’s foe to the east, Russia. But they were far less concerted or centrally directed than Russia’s alleged hacking and dissemination of Democratic emails.​
Russia’s effort was personally directed by Russian President Vladimir Putin, involved the country’s military and foreign intelligence services, according to U.S. intelligence officials. They reportedly briefed Trump last week on the possibility that Russian operatives might have compromising information on the president-elect. And at a Senate hearing last week on the hacking, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper said “I don't think we've ever encountered a more aggressive or direct campaign to interfere in our election process than we've seen in this case.”​
There’s little evidence of such a top-down effort by Ukraine. Longtime observers suggest that the rampant corruption, factionalism and economic struggles plaguing the country — not to mention its ongoing strife with Russia — would render it unable to pull off an ambitious covert interference campaign in another country’s election. And President Petro Poroshenko’s administration, along with the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington, insists that Ukraine stayed neutral in the race.​

Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire

Rudy stands as an example that becoming gutter slime is always within the reach of anyone.
 
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You know what's the damnedest thing about this?

Trump won the bloody election.

A Ukrainian-American operative who was consulting for the Democratic National Committee met with top officials in the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington in an effort to expose ties between Trump, top campaign aide Paul Manafort and Russia, according to people with direct knowledge of the situation.​
The Ukrainian efforts had an impact in the race, helping to force Manafort’s resignation and advancing the narrative that Trump’s campaign was deeply connected to Ukraine’s foe to the east, Russia. But they were far less concerted or centrally directed than Russia’s alleged hacking and dissemination of Democratic emails.​
Russia’s effort was personally directed by Russian President Vladimir Putin, involved the country’s military and foreign intelligence services, according to U.S. intelligence officials. They reportedly briefed Trump last week on the possibility that Russian operatives might have compromising information on the president-elect. And at a Senate hearing last week on the hacking, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper said “I don't think we've ever encountered a more aggressive or direct campaign to interfere in our election process than we've seen in this case.”​
There’s little evidence of such a top-down effort by Ukraine. Longtime observers suggest that the rampant corruption, factionalism and economic struggles plaguing the country — not to mention its ongoing strife with Russia — would render it unable to pull off an ambitious covert interference campaign in another country’s election. And President Petro Poroshenko’s administration, along with the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington, insists that Ukraine stayed neutral in the race.​

Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire

Rudy stands as an example that becoming gutter slime is always within the reach of anyone.
Agreed about gutter slime. The irony is that Trump is doing exactly what he accuses others of doing to him. He nor Rudy are on the high ground. American politics have sunk into the sewage. Not the first time, but certainly the lowest point in decades. Still, the excuse "everybody else is doing it" isn't a high moral position.
 
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I didn't see anything in the article that indicated he was going to collude in order to influence the 2020 election. The state reason is to find out what influence the Dems were trying to exert to get the Ukrainians on their side actively in the 2016 election. In the final take, Rudy announced that he wasn't going to Ukraine. Might have, would have, and wanted to aren't events, well, except in the minds of the Libs.
The Russia collusion acusations of the Dems against Trump has reduced them to a "he wanted to" mob seeking an alternate reality to exploit.
On edit, the Dems aren't just seeking an alternate reality they are trying to create one.
 
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He can't be charged with treason, we are not at war with the Ukraine.
That's only the Constitution's limitation. There are other treason laws in effect:

Treason laws in the United States - Wikipedia
In the United States, there are both federal and state laws prohibiting treason....Constitutionally, citizens of the United States owe allegiance to at least two sovereigns. One is the United States, and the other is their state.
 
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I didn't see anything in the article that indicated he was going to collude in order to influence the 2020 election. The state reason is to find out what influence the Dems were trying to exert to get the Ukrainians on their side actively in the 2016 election. In the final take, Rudy announced that he wasn't going to Ukraine. Might have, would have, and wanted to aren't events, well, except in the minds of the Libs.
The Russia collusion acusations of the Dems against Trump has reduced them to a "he wanted to" mob seeking an alternate reality to exploit.
Do you think it's okay for a US political party to invite a foreign power to work against a political opponent in order to win an election?
 
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Agreed about gutter slime. The irony is that Trump is doing exactly what he accuses others of doing to him. He nor Rudy are on the high ground. American politics have sunk into the sewage. Not the first time, but certainly the lowest point in decades. Still, the excuse "everybody else is doing it" isn't a high moral position.
That's overly simplistic and I don't think that's the case here. Turning an opponents own attack on them when it fails is a time proven tactic in all forms of warfare. Turnabout is fair play. If this current theater presentation weren't so mundane it could be a great movie plot.
 
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That's overly simplistic and I don't think that's the case here. Turning an opponents own attack on them when it fails is a time proven tactic in all forms of warfare. Turnabout is fair play. If this current theater presentation weren't so mundane it could be a great movie plot.
LOL. You complain that my comment is "overly simplistic" then prove what I said was true by stating "Turnabout is fair play" which includes colluding with foreign powers.
 

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