Since we are Going to Make Employers Give their Employees Free Money . . .

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Why don't we just make stores give customers free products instead?

That's what we expect people to use the free money for, right? It's not intended for vacations or savings or political donations, or anything else but going to the store and buying food and other necessities. Have I got that part right?

Assuming yes, here is the huge problem: that requirement heavily favors the upper middle class. 14 days paid time off is several thousand dollars to a salaried engineer, lawyer, doctor, or any other profession that people luck their way into or get hired by their dad's friend.

They likely will invest that money or other wasteful uses that do not take care of basic necessities.

Even the lower paid college-level office workers, union workers and skilled workers, managers, welders, electricians, etc will get two to four thousand of the free money and why? Again, we know luck played the key role in obtaining those jobs.

What does a McDonald's worker get? 14 days x 8 hours x $7.25 =$812.00. How is that helpful?

Free money?

Free poverty, it sounds like.

But, if they can just go to Walmart, pick up what they need and go, it really cuts out a lot of wasteful red tape. Walmart will be forced to give its employees free money, why not force them to give free food instead?

The free market will make sure no one store has to pony up more than any other store. That's right - the free market. Because when Walmart runs out of stuff, people will go to Kroger while Walmart restocks. Duh!

The beauty part is that everyone knows what they need so there won't be any waste.

The government can just send Walmart money so they can keep restocking as long as the crisis lasts.

I challenge one liberal on here to tell me a single thing wrong with that idea.

One caveat:

Don't you DARE say anything about fairness because the fair comes to town onest a year. But if you insist, non-store empoloyers can just send the free money to Walmart and Kroger instead of giving it to their engineers who probably already have a bunker full of food buried under their backyards, anyway.

And don't say money is more important than lives, either, because baby Jesus will slap you for that.

Ok, that's two caviars, but you know what I meant.
 
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what are you talking about?

what employers are being forced to give their employees free money? I missed that memo.
What else would you call 14 days paid medical leave?

I know, "14 days paid medical leave!"

How is it not giving them free money?

Do they have to give the employer something in return?

BTW, I left out this:

How does 14 days free money help the workers whose businesses will have to shut down because it cannot afford to give out free money?

Don't you think my free product idea is much better?

If not, why? Do you thing government should only help the rich?
 
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What else would you call 14 days paid medical leave?

I know, "14 days paid medical leave!"

How is it not giving them free money?

Do they have to give the employer something in return?

BTW, I left out this:

How does 14 days free money help the workers whose businesses will have to shut down because it cannot afford to give out free money?

Don't you think my free product idea is much better?

If not, why? Do you thing government should only help the rich?
do you have a link showing that we are being forced to do this?
 
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or are we working a hypothetical?

if so, we need more parameters, but I'd say given trump's record of bailouts, or socialist welfare as I like to call it, he'll take care of businesses with taxpayer money

like he did some farmers after they were ruined by his tariffs
 
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Ok, I see what you mean.

Will you answer then when it is passed?
when "it" is passed?

as in a law? or a bill?

who's passing it? congress? trump?

I find your belief system semi-fascinating but if you want me to play along you're going to need to give more details about your fantasies.
 
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when "it" is passed?

as in a law? or a bill?

who's passing it? congress? trump?

I find your belief system semi-fascinating but if you want me to play along you're going to need to give more details about your fantasies.
Wow.

And one of the mods called me a low-information whatever.

This article is recent, but the bill has been available online for days. I'd find the exact text, but I'm not going to wade through if for you.

Here it is from a source you'll trust:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/03/16/paid-sick-leave-coronavirus-house-bill/

If the bill is approved by the Senate and signed by Trump, it would grant two weeks of paid sick leave at 100 percent of the person’s normal salary, up to $511 per day. It would also provide up to 12 weeks of paid family and medical leave at 67 percent of the person’s normal pay, up to $200 per day.

$511 per day? That's $7,154 for fourteen days. Almost ten times as much as a McDonald's worker would get.

Let me guess: the rich need more money?

No, the rich don't need money, they already have plenty.

The poor need food, clothes, laundry soap, water.

Walmart has plenty of that stuff, just give it to the people!

Makes way more sense than forcing rich folks to give other rich folks money.
 
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These types of threads are stupid and heartless.

If somebody who doesn't have the benefits of the rest of the civilized world nations and they get sick which causes them to miss work, they still need to pay rent.
They still need to pay doctor's bills.

The reality of this situation is this:
So what's the U.S.'s excuse for not doing it again?

Talking about just giving them free stuff is a satirical nonsense argument. It's like talking about the fire department for a city putting fires out for poor people, so why don't we just give the poor people free access to the expensive Dasani water bottles on the shelves?