So what happens if........

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Neither is not tying your shoes. But your scenario has nothing to do with this thread.
then I guess I misread your OP, because I thought you were asking what would happen if Sanders won the Presidency (and also if the Senate flipped blue)

my bad
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then I guess I misread your OP, because I thought you were asking what would happen if Sanders won the Presidency (and also if the Senate flipped blue)

my bad
carry on
I misread nothing. You did.

Note the bold:
Sanders beats Trump. Actually nothing. Because the Senate isn't going to turn blue.

But for funzies, lets say Sanders get elected and the dems get a filibuster proof majority. And then all the crazy socialistic BS that Sanders is proposing get's enacted.

What next, speaking of monetary policy, Fed interest rates, and all those things right down to the price of gasoline.
 
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I misread nothing. You did.

Note the bold:
Sanders beats Trump. Actually nothing. Because the Senate isn't going to turn blue.

But for funzies, lets say Sanders get elected and the dems get a filibuster proof majority. And then all the crazy socialistic BS that Sanders is proposing get's enacted.

What next, speaking of monetary policy, Fed interest rates, and all those things right down to the price of gasoline.
and I answered that it's a longshot even if the Dems flipped the Senate. And you got pissed.

keep freaking out about pipe dreams that will never happen.

it's funny to me that people who flip out about Socialism are pretty "whatever" about the move towards Fascism that we are actually currently experiencing with trump.
 
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The truly sad thing is that the GOPers have hammered that into into your brain so hard that you actually believe it.
If that all happened then we would go full on Venezuela.
The whole "socialism" thing is one that annoys me regarding those who are phobic about socialism not being able to think rationally on the subject...

The people who love to toss the word around "liberally" (pun intended) love to pretend anything that even glances in that direction achieves "socialism".
If we were to change our healthcare to be more like *most* modern countries with regard to public healthcare, that makes us "socialist". :rolleyes:

But then when you throw out "Venezuala", it raises the other side of the coin exposing the absurdity of such hyperbolic arguments.
Why aren't all the other countries who are not failing which should supposedly be classified as "socialist" because they do something that is not as "capitalist" as our current system also be considered as data points?

Is Canada "socialist"? I think most people who phobically oppose socialism would say "YES!".
But then Canada is not going under like "Venezuala". "Venezuala" is one very unique data-point out of a LONG LIST of "socialist" countries.
Shouldn't the fact that those other "socialist" countries are not going under be relevant as well?

But of course, when somebody goes phobic, it's not a rational reaction to the situation so it's kind of a fore-gone conclusion. At the same time, I think most people who are phobic about something (e.g. spiders, going outside, germs) can realize they are reacting in a manner that is not rational to the broader society...


Disclaimer: The above is not to say that all people who oppose Bernie's ideas are "phobic". Nor is it saying that people who oppose transition to more socialist philosophies are "phobic".
But IMHO, bringing up "Venezuala" in such discussions => "phobic".
 
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Sanders beats Trump. Actually nothing. Because the Senate isn't going to turn blue.
But for funzies, lets say Sanders get elected and the dems get a filibuster proof majority. And then all the crazy socialistic BS that Sanders is proposing get's enacted.
What next, speaking of monetary policy, Fed interest rates, and all those things right down to the price of gasoline.
1) I think a lot of it would revolve around implementation. Bernie isn't going to achieve everything on day #1.
Nor do I think he wants to. (And most likely this is not saying anything you didn't already know...)

Of course, regardless of having such a belief / assumption, I think the topic is very worthy of discussion.

2) "dems get a filibuster proof majority"
Dems had a House & Senate majority for "Obamacare". Even with that majority on both sides, it still took a long time.
We tried it MULTIPLE times before and failed.
I think it's clear that the vast majority of Dems were behind Obamacare, but we couldn't agree on implementation so it drug on.

Bernie's ideas? I think Dems are nowhere near behind a lot of his ideas. If he got elected, he would be fighting against the Dem "establishment" (IMO) as well.
Quite frankly, if I could choose a "top 10" list of alternate realities to see how things would play out differently if _____ happened / had happened, I would be fascinated to see the outcome of Bernie being president (from just a curiosity stand-point alone).

But again, that doesn't mean anything (to me) about the idea of this thread. If anything, that fascination is piqued by having such a thread! :winktongue:
(I just don't have time at this moment to say anything further, but I did want to throw out these two comments...)
 
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