Socialism has always had the same format.

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The argument I make is that the concentration of political power necessary to implement socialism is what leads to the famine, repression, and human misery we see under socialist systems. They are two sides of the same coin. The USSR had no shortage of slave labor, imperialism, and human suffering of the kind you describe. Though I'll cede one point. Obesity tended to be scarce owed to a lack of available food for anyone not well connected to The State.
And the pressures of capitalism — the pressure to make a profit — are what lead to slavery, colonialism, imperialism, obesity, consumerism, pollution, etc.

Two sides of the same coin.

Capitalism need not be perfect to be a better choice than socialism. It just needs to produce better results, and it does.
So the ends justify the means? You can literally make that same exact argument about socialism.
 
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And the pressures of capitalism — the pressure to make a profit — are what lead to slavery, colonialism, imperialism, obesity, consumerism, pollution, etc.

Two sides of the same coin.



So the ends justify the means? You can literally make that same exact argument about socialism.
Any system without the rule law, without basic human rights, is a disaster.
 
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Yes, but remember that there are several Middle Eastern countries that successfully fund themselves with oil production. Alaska residents also benefit from oil money, as you know I'm sure.
Those ME countries....some like UAE Emirate - Abu Dhabi, are literally swimming in oil, so they can afford to waste billions before they run out of money. And they are wasting billions already!

What I meant by oil industry hollowing out economies is that none of these ME or other nations where oil is their sole export and only source of foreign currency, are able to develop manufacturing or even make agriculture profitable. This was happening to Venezuela, as oil production over a period of decades was making farming unproductive in the face of cheap imports. So, Venezuelans left the farms in a manner that only happened to nations like Mexico after NAFTA. Mexico's oil industry was controlled by PEMEX up until recently, and its production never exceeded Venezuela's, which has a smaller population to support. So, now that oil is receding as a profitable enterprise...with no more EROEI returns of 100 to one or even 30 to one anymore, the decline in petroleum will re-localize economies and bring them back to earth. Some oil-dependencies like Saudi Arabia, are really fucked today! They've grown a huge population, along with millions of foreign workers to do the dirty work to run the economy. And production keeps declining year over year with no end in sight, and no alternative economic activity other than stupid dreams their psychopath potentate comes up with every so often.

And Alaska, like our western provinces up here, are seeing their modest oil industries run into decline. That's why Alberta was turned into digging up this tarsands crap and diluting it to run through pipelines. This toxic industry....which never should have got off the ground, is now DOA as world oil prices look unlikely to ever get back to levels like 80 or 100 per barrel needed to make it a return on investment. Like shale oil and gas in the US, these are just scams made possible by free money produced by central banks and handed out to just about every hairbrained startup. In the coming years, reality will set in, and unfortunately for younger people, they will inherit a world ravaged by a generation of capitalists who decided to double down and keep the good times going as long as they could.....even if there was nothing left when the party was over!
 
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Those ME countries....some like UAE Emirate - Abu Dhabi, are literally swimming in oil, so they can afford to waste billions before they run out of money. And they are wasting billions already!

What I meant by oil industry hollowing out economies is that none of these ME or other nations where oil is their sole export and only source of foreign currency, are able to develop manufacturing or even make agriculture profitable. This was happening to Venezuela, as oil production over a period of decades was making farming unproductive in the face of cheap imports. So, Venezuelans left the farms in a manner that only happened to nations like Mexico after NAFTA. Mexico's oil industry was controlled by PEMEX up until recently, and its production never exceeded Venezuela's, which has a smaller population to support. So, now that oil is receding as a profitable enterprise...with no more EROEI returns of 100 to one or even 30 to one anymore, the decline in petroleum will re-localize economies and bring them back to earth. Some oil-dependencies like Saudi Arabia, are really fucked today! They've grown a huge population, along with millions of foreign workers to do the dirty work to run the economy. And production keeps declining year over year with no end in sight, and no alternative economic activity other than stupid dreams their psychopath potentate comes up with every so often.

And Alaska, like our western provinces up here, are seeing their modest oil industries run into decline. That's why Alberta was turned into digging up this tarsands crap and diluting it to run through pipelines. This toxic industry....which never should have got off the ground, is now DOA as world oil prices look unlikely to ever get back to levels like 80 or 100 per barrel needed to make it a return on investment. Like shale oil and gas in the US, these are just scams made possible by free money produced by central banks and handed out to just about every hairbrained startup. In the coming years, reality will set in, and unfortunately for younger people, they will inherit a world ravaged by a generation of capitalists who decided to double down and keep the good times going as long as they could.....even if there was nothing left when the party was over!
Ah! I see. Cherry-picking.
 
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And you claim to be a socialist! how are you so clueless and unaware of what goes on in the rest of the world?
YA DOPE! YOU said "Yes, Venezuela's dependence on oil sales hollowed out their economy like so many other oil-producing nations". And you left it there. So I suppose I should ask you the same question: why don't you know how to post a thought without leaving yourself open to criticism? I mentioned cases that refute your statement and now you want to attack me for it? I guess you are like Trump, --unable to tolerate any suggestion that you're not perfect.
 
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Socialism is pretty much always adopted as a response to the failure of capitalism.
Exceptions would be Russia and China, where it followed feudal monarchies.
Because of that, it usually gets established in places that are already in ruins.
 
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YA DOPE! YOU said "Yes, Venezuela's dependence on oil sales hollowed out their economy like so many other oil-producing nations". And you left it there. So I suppose I should ask you the same question: why don't you know how to post a thought without leaving yourself open to criticism? I mentioned cases that refute your statement and now you want to attack me for it? I guess you are like Trump, --unable to tolerate any suggestion that you're not perfect.
BECAUSE Venezuela's dependence on oil sales hollowed out their economy!
I can't fit everything in a post. I thought you were aware of these things, and wouldn't need spoonfeeding!
Venezuela is not and has never been a truly socialist country in anything more than the social democratic sense, a mostly privately owned economy with sizable social programs to balance out disparities in wealth.

EVERY economy where oil production and export becomes greater than 50% of its GDP, ends up hollowing out as oil revenues overwhelm all other production. There is only one exception to the rule.........Norway! Perhaps because Norway is a social democratic society where the public sector provides benefits for everyone and has progressive income taxation to limit the gaps in income. And the Government is about the only major oil producer in the world that has managed to squirrel away its share of oil revenues into a national capital fund that is in the billions (I haven't looked up the number recently) while Canada, including the Province of Alberta, Alaska and ME nations like Saudi Arabia are burning through their sovereign wealth funds and will have nothing left in a few short years.

Venezuela has spent a large amount of its oil profits on building housing and social programs for the poor, but unlike Norway, they haven't been saving for a rainy day!
 
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Don't you feel sorry for the stupid GOP. There they were gearing up for a campaign against Bernie and amassing all this socialism is scary bullshit and now it''s Uncle Joe so all that work was wasted. What a pity.
It isn't over till it's over. Stopping Bernie was the goal and if we've done that it isn't a waste is it.
The message is that your knee jerk comments are now seen as stupid themselves. Perhaps you should think these responses thru a bit before trying to make everything a bashing conservatives tool. .