Sold to an ally, lost to an enemy

imaginethat

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Is this really important? Didn't Trump say the SA arms deal would create hundreds of thousands of jobs? Jamal Khashoggi be damned....

Sold to an ally, lost to an enemy
The US shipped weapons and secrets to the Saudis and Emiratis. Now, some are in the hands of fighters linked to al Qaeda and Iran.

Saudi Arabia and its coalition partners have transferred American-made weapons to al Qaeda-linked fighters, hardline Salafi militias, and other factions waging war in Yemen, in violation of their agreements with the United States, a CNN investigation has found.

The weapons have also made their way into the hands of Iranian-backed rebels battling the coalition for control of the country, exposing some of America's sensitive military technology to Tehran and potentially endangering the lives of US troops in other conflict zones.

Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, its main partner in the war, have used the US-manufactured weapons as a form of currency to buy the loyalties of militias or tribes, bolster chosen armed actors, and influence the complex political landscape, according to local commanders on the ground and analysts who spoke to CNN.

By handing off this military equipment to third parties, the Saudi-led coalition is breaking the terms of its arms sales with the US, according to the Department of Defense. After CNN presented its findings, a US defense official confirmed there was an ongoing investigation into the issue.

The revelations raise fresh questions about whether the US has lost control over a key ally presiding over one of the most horrific wars of the past decade, and whether Saudi Arabia is responsible enough to be allowed to continue buying the sophisticated arms and fighting hardware. Previous CNN investigations established that US-made weapons were used in a series of deadly Saudi coalition attacks that killed dozens of civilians, many of them children.

The developments also come as Congress, outraged with Riyadh over the murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi last year, considers whether to force an end to the Trump administration's support for the Saudi coalition, which relies on American weapons to conduct its war.

Lots more: US arms sold to Saudi Arabia and UAE end up in wrong hands
 
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My brother spent a year teaching English in Saudi Arabia. The human rights horror stories he came back with would chill you to your bones. SA has NEVER been an ally other than to what they can gain from us. It is a truly disgusting place. He said he would never go back, except to maybe rescue the women he knew were raped. It is a vile country. Any country ruled by religion has these problems.

Saudi female activists face jail conditions akin to torture, say UK MPs

SA has never been an ally, most of the 9/11 terrorists were Saudi nationals. The rest were people from countries we think of as allies:

"The hijackers in the September 11 attacks were 19 men affiliated with al-Qaeda. 15 of the 19 were citizens of Saudi Arabia, and the others were from the United Arab Emirates (2), Egypt, and Lebanon.[1]"

Hijackers in the September 11 attacks - Wikipedia

But we targeted Iraq and Afghanistan? That's how stupid Bush was. Oh wait, there was money to be made by Cheney.
 
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Is this really important? Didn't Trump say the SA arms deal would create hundreds of thousands of jobs? Jamal Khashoggi be damned....

Sold to an ally, lost to an enemy
The US shipped weapons and secrets to the Saudis and Emiratis. Now, some are in the hands of fighters linked to al Qaeda and Iran.

Saudi Arabia and its coalition partners have transferred American-made weapons to al Qaeda-linked fighters, hardline Salafi militias, and other factions waging war in Yemen, in violation of their agreements with the United States, a CNN investigation has found.

The weapons have also made their way into the hands of Iranian-backed rebels battling the coalition for control of the country, exposing some of America's sensitive military technology to Tehran and potentially endangering the lives of US troops in other conflict zones.

Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, its main partner in the war, have used the US-manufactured weapons as a form of currency to buy the loyalties of militias or tribes, bolster chosen armed actors, and influence the complex political landscape, according to local commanders on the ground and analysts who spoke to CNN.

By handing off this military equipment to third parties, the Saudi-led coalition is breaking the terms of its arms sales with the US, according to the Department of Defense. After CNN presented its findings, a US defense official confirmed there was an ongoing investigation into the issue.

The revelations raise fresh questions about whether the US has lost control over a key ally presiding over one of the most horrific wars of the past decade, and whether Saudi Arabia is responsible enough to be allowed to continue buying the sophisticated arms and fighting hardware. Previous CNN investigations established that US-made weapons were used in a series of deadly Saudi coalition attacks that killed dozens of civilians, many of them children.

The developments also come as Congress, outraged with Riyadh over the murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi last year, considers whether to force an end to the Trump administration's support for the Saudi coalition, which relies on American weapons to conduct its war.

Lots more: US arms sold to Saudi Arabia and UAE end up in wrong hands
That's what happens when the President listens to the generals and to the CIA. They cause 95% of our foreign affairs problems.
 

imaginethat

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That's what happens when the President listens to the generals and to the CIA. They cause 95% of our foreign affairs problems.
It's what happens when a lying president who puts "making America 'great' again" makes deals with the corrupt as hell Saudis.

Trump inflated importance of Saudi arms sales
to US job market, report says
Saudi Arabia needs the US far more than the other way round,
report argues amid crisis over murder of Jamal Khashoggi
US arms sales to Saudi Arabia give Washington extensive leverage on Riyadh, while accounting for fewer than 20,000 US jobs a year – less than a twentieth of the employment boost Donald Trump has claimed – according to a new report.​
Trump has repeatedly cited the importance of Saudi arms sales to the US economy as a reason not to cut the supply of weapons in response to the murder of the Saudi writer and Washington Post columnist, Jamal Khashoggi.​
The president has frequently estimated the total extent of defence sales to the Saudi regime at $110bn, and variously said they would generate 450,000, 500,000 or 600,000 jobs.​
According to a report by the Centre for International Policythinktank in Washington, those figures are hugely inflated. The report, US Military Support for Saudi Arabia and the War in Yemen, argues that Saudi Arabia needs the US far more than the other way round, and the administration is underplaying its hand, if it wants to rein in Riyadh in Yemen – or punish the monarchy for Khashoggi’s murder at the Saudi consulate in Istanbul.​
...The actual value of US arms sales to Riyadh since Trump took office is $14.5bn, the report says.​
...Even that figure refers to “letters of offer and acceptance” for new weaponry and support equipment, which is just one step in a longer process involved in arms transactions. It does not represent actual signed contracts. All of the major sales in the pipeline were initiated by the Obama administration, which was seeking to appease Saudi Arabia to counterbalance the Iran nuclear deal.

More exposé of Trump's bloody lies: Trump inflated importance of Saudi arms sales to US job market, report says
 
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this kind of crap happens all the time when we sell weapons or transport large sums of money over seas. its amazing to me how people dont see just how stupid this garbage is. the defense budget is ridiculously over inflated, taking money that we could use right here at home in our country. but no, hawkish morons would rather buy guns and bombs and send them to our enemies so the rich can profit more.

wtf :rolleyes:
 
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So....your solution?? Ignore our intelligence agencies?
well you know the Dotard said the intelligence community should go back to school.... :rolleyes:

these idiots think they know more than people who have worked these issues and areas of the world for their careers. its amazing how the uneducated think they just magically know more.
 
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well you know the Dotard said the intelligence community should go back to school.... :rolleyes:

these idiots think they know more than people who have worked these issues and areas of the world for their careers. its amazing how the uneducated think they just magically know more.
The ultimate of ALL JOKES--of all hypocrisy--is that these same people who don't trust our intelligence agencies.......DO TRUST DONALD J TRUMP. Go figure.
 
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