Some 2nd Amendment History

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BACK ON TRACK, PEOPLE! The original intent/history of the 2nd Amendment is what we are discussing.

If you didn't read the OP--DO NOT reply.
 
Feb 2018
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Ever wonder why the 2nd Amendment....was/is an amendment??
Curious about the wording of the 2nd Amendment?

His first draft for what became the Second Amendment had said: “The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed, and well regulated militia being the best security of a free country [emphasis mine]: but no person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms, shall be compelled to render military service in person.”

Here is the actual first draft of what would eventually become the 2nd Amendment:

"A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, being the best security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, but no one religiously scrupulous of bearing arms, shall be compelled to render military service in person".

https://www.sethkaller.com/item/182...f-Rights:-17-Amendments-Approved-by-the-House
 
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Feb 2018
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Here is the actual first draft of what would eventually become the 2nd Amendment:

"A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, being the best security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, but no one religiously scrupulous of bearing arms, shall be compelled to render military service in person".

https://www.sethkaller.com/item/182...f-Rights:-17-Amendments-Approved-by-the-House
Very good, but that doesn't repeal or change what Article I, Section 8 says...

"The Congress shall have Power ....
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress"

Think about it.
 
Mar 2013
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Did you know intellectuals in the time of our founding fathers settled affairs of honor with duels using guns instead of diplomacy...
 
Jul 2014
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There are laws that may have made sense when they were put in place, but don't make a lot of sense hundreds of years later.

Now, if I was national sales manager for Smith and Wesson, the second amendment would be a great law. But if I am concerned about the safety of people in my community, it appears like complete stupidity.
I don't mind some people having guns, I have friends who hunt, who shoot targets, who enjoy their guns, that's great. But there are a lot of people who I think should not be allowed to own guns. The problem is we assume everyone can buy a gun, unless there is some red flag that puts them on a no buy list.
But then we make it hard for people to get on that no buy list.
I mean to me, the red flag that should trigger a thorough background check, with interviews, and a psychological evaluation, is someone who wants to buy a semiautomatic weapon.

"I'd like a buy a people killing machine, please"

OK, but I think we should check you out thoroughly.
 
Dec 2013
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Ever see the movie "Django Unchained"?? Leonardo DiCaprio in Django Unchained asks, “Why don’t they just rise up [slaves] and kill the whites?” If the movie were real, it would have been a purely rhetorical question, because every southerner of the era knew the simple answer: Well regulated militias kept the slaves in chains.

Ever wonder why the 2nd Amendment....was/is an amendment??
Curious about the wording of the 2nd Amendment?

James Madison, who had (at Jefferson’s insistence) already begun to prepare proposed amendments to the Constitution, changed his first draft of one that addressed the militia issue to make sure it was unambiguous that the southern states could maintain their slave patrol militias.

His first draft for what became the Second Amendment had said: “The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed, and well regulated militia being the best security of a free country [emphasis mine]: but no person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms, shall be compelled to render military service in person.”


There's much more: https://www.rawstory.com/2018/02/second-amendment-ratified-preserve-slavery/

So your point is that slavery was as successful as it was for as long as it was is because of government?

That is nice.
 
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