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Supplemental Security Income - it sounds a little like Social Security, which adds to the confusion.

Funds are disbursed by SSA, but that is about all they have in common. Cost is about $50 billion per year.

SSI is federal welfare, for disabled children, adults, and the aged. About 1.1 million under age 18, about 2.3 million age 65 or over, 4.8 million 18-64.

Those under age 65 must be certified disabled, under guidelines similar to SS.

At age 65, no disability is required, for citizens and other legal residents. [Aliens eligible for SSI: SSI Spotlight on SSI Benefits for Aliens ]
The "disability" is considered to be age. To the public, and for government programs, they are equivalent to the disabled. Among other things, this means that if there is a government benefit waiting list (like HUD housing), they go to the front of the line, ahead of the working poor.

Standard payment amount is about $770 from the feds, although some states supplement that.

The cash payment amount is about half of the average SS amount of $1400. Recipients receive other welfare benefits, so that their standard of living is often higher than those receiving less than average SS, particularly those in the $800 - $1200 range.
As an example, those receiving Social Security Disability must wait 24 months before being eligible for Medicare, and often have no medical coverage. SSI recipients, who generally have no work history, receive Medicaid immediately (with extremely few exceptions), with coverage equal to or better than Medicare.

With Welfare Reform, states were encouraged with financial incentives to move recipients off AFDC/TANF to SSI. The TANF/SSI Connection

For households with an SSI child, on average the SSI is about half of all income. The most common other income is earnings - of less than $770 per month. That is 26 hours per week at minimum wage, and less than 20 hours per week at $10 per hour.

SSI recipients are exempt from paying any child support, by federal law.

If SS is (in part) a government retirement program for employed legal residents, (as some would describe it), then SSI is (in part) a retirement program for the non-employed, non-disabled, welfare poor. Someone who lived off welfare for 64 years, gets retirement at age 65. Most of the 2 million age 65+ receiving SSI, spent most of their life on welfare programs, and are very familiar with the various welfare programs, and are able to maximize welfare benefits.

This in contrast to the working poor, who failed to properly prepare for retirement, never received welfare, have no idea how to game the system, and have no desire to learn.

60% of all SSI children have eligibility due to mental deficiencies or conditions. For adults receiving SSI/SSDI, about 40% receive it for mental issues.
For children, low IQ, maladaptive behaviour, and bi-polar are common. For adults, bi-polar and depression are common.
If you see someone with a handicap placard on their car, and appear physically healthy, maybe the physical disability is not noticeable, or maybe there is none.

Most SSI adults and parents of SSI children are welfare gamers. Not all, but most. They are able to maximize welfare benefits, evade financial and legal responsibility for children they procreate, and often live better than their neighbor, who can be part of the working poor, but mostly welfare ineligible.

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It is hard to deny that there is a need for a program such as SSI. Horrific childhood illnesses, war widows and their children come to mind.
When a program allows the "poor by choice" welfare recipients, to live better the true working poor, something is broken.

A few decades ago someone decided that children born to women who had no prenatal medical care, were at significant risk for health issues.
It was further decided to grant automatic SSI eligibility to all children of such mothers - those who had no professional prenatal care.
This caused a flood of SSI children who received this automatic eligibility. There was a dramatic increase in the number of children born to women who had never consulted a medical professional during pregnancy. A health hazard had been created, with the best of intentions.

If you subsidize something, you will get more of it.
Women who previously had Medicaid, allowed it to close, in anticipation of pregnancy. Some women had 2 or 3 SSI children before the law was changed. Although the children 's cases were later reviewed, gamer mothers knew how to describe their childrens behavior to medical professionals, so that SSI would continue.

This particular abuse of the program ended, others did not.
 
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Most SSI adults and parents of SSI children are welfare gamers. Not all, but most. They are able to maximize welfare benefits, evade financial and legal responsibility for children they procreate, and often live better than their neighbor, who can be part of the working poor, but mostly welfare ineligible.
MOST? Prove it.
 
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imagine my disappointment when I opened this thread to not see interesting facts about Saint Simons Island :-(

(or any interesting facts at all)
 
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Most SSI adults and parents of SSI children are welfare gamers. Not all, but most. They are able to maximize welfare benefits, evade financial and legal responsibility for children they procreate, and often live better than their neighbor, who can be part of the working poor, but mostly welfare ineligible.
MOST? Prove it.
Well, he is, and his whole extended family haven't worked for years, (if you don't count shoplifting).
That's how he knows so much about it.
 
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Most SSI adults and parents of SSI children are welfare gamers. Not all, but most. They are able to maximize welfare benefits, evade financial and legal responsibility for children they procreate, and often live better than their neighbor, who can be part of the working poor, but mostly welfare ineligible.
MOST? Prove it.
I will compromise.
Only 49%.
You win.
 
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Even Franklin D. Roosevelt, the architect of the U.S. welfare state, understood that generous welfare could undermine social virtues. “The lessons of history, confirmed by the evidence immediately before me, show conclusively that continued dependence upon relief induces a spiritual and moral disintegration fundamentally destructive to the national fiber,” FDR explained in 1935. “To dole out relief in this way is to administer a narcotic, a subtle destroyer of the human spirit. It is inimical to the dictates of sound policy. It is in violation of the traditions of America.”

Many proponents of the welfare state regard Sweden as a model whose policies others should emulate. The country is perceived as having implemented a large-scale welfare state, with generous and broad-ranging public programs, while avoiding the moral hazards associated with welfare policy. The reality is that Sweden’s generous welfare system has been undermined by large-scale cheating that has led to a reduction in welfare-state generosity. If even Protestant Sweden, where the work ethic was once so strong, could not withstand the moral hazard associated with generous welfare, what society can?

The World Value Survey gives strong support for the claim that norms in the Nordic countries have eroded. In the 1981–84 survey, for example, 82 percent of Swedes agreed with the statement “Claiming government benefits to which you are not entitled is never justifiable.” In the 2010–14 wave, merely 55 percent held the same view. The pattern is found in the other Nordic nations as well. This fall in responsibility seems to be stabilizing lately, following tax cuts and significant reductions in welfare-state generosity. The Swedish Lesson: Welfare States Create Moral Hazard - AMAC - The Association of Mature American Citizens
 
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AND still........no source. You've written TWO very long diatribes with LITTLE or no source. Not acceptable here.
the data is uploading to his new laptop, just be patient

(kidding, that's the excuse he gave me for some random made-up stat sometime last week)
(never did get a source)
 
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AND still........no source. You've written TWO very long diatribes with LITTLE or no source. Not acceptable here.
Yet again. Those who require documentation from others, provides virtually none of their own.
I understand you believe yourself to be the purveyor or rules and regs. Any source to document that?

Possibly our disagreement is simply a matter of the use of words.
"Gaming the system" is a rather common phrase on the internet, but certainly not everyone knows what it means.
What do you understand it to mean, as the term is commonly applied?
 
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Yet again. Those who require documentation from others, provides virtually none of their own.
I understand you believe yourself to be the purveyor or rules and regs. Any source to document that?

Possibly our disagreement is simply a matter of the use of words.
"Gaming the system" is a rather common phrase on the internet, but certainly not everyone knows what it means.
What do you understand it to mean, as the term is commonly applied?
We all know what it really means.
You've been fooled by someone, like Limbaugh, who filled your head with nonsense.
Unable to find any evidence in the real world to support those beliefs, you simply state your beliefs as though they are revealed wisdom.
The fact remains, you are just somebody's useful idiot.