The Great Venezuelan Lie from the Democratic Socialists

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There have been several forum threads recently on both socialism and democratic socialism. Pick any of these discussions and you don't have to scroll down too far before you read some conservative chiming in with something like "How'd that socialism thing work out for you in Venezuela?" (guilty!)

You can be equally sure fans of Bernie and/or AOC will quickly reply and say how stupid it is to bring up Venezuela and how American democratic socialism is different. We, of course, hear the very same from Sanders and AOC themselves.

Well, an absolutely piercing editorial from Monday's WSJ shines a bright light on that lie. Since there's so much quotable from the piece please read it in its entirety. The emphasis in the last paragraph is mine.

Viva la revolución.

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All Bernie’s Socialists
The candidate’s advisers want America to be more like Venezuela.
By The Editorial Board
April 8, 2019 6:37 p.m. ET

Bernie Sanders, the man who pushed the Democratic Party left, now finds himself up against those who’ve adopted his policies including Kamala Harris, Corey Booker and Elizabeth Warren. Image: Getty

Socialism is cool again, and Bernie Sanders wants to reassure voters that there’s nothing to worry about. “I think what we have to do, and I will be doing it, is to do a better job maybe in explaining what we mean by socialism—democratic socialism,” Mr. Sanders said last month. He has also said that conservatives portray his brand of socialism “as authoritarianism and communism and Venezuela, and that’s nonsense.”

We wish that were true. But we’ve been reading the work of Bernie’s senior political advisers, and their words deserve more attention. Take speechwriter David Sirota, who joined the Sanders campaign in March, though he had been attacking the Vermont Senator’s Democratic opponents on Twitter for months.

Mr. Sirota wrote an op-ed for Salon in 2013 titled “Hugo Chávez’s Economic Miracle.” Mr. Sirota conceded, Chávez “was no saint” and “amassed a troubling record when it came to protecting human rights and basic democratic freedoms.” Those pesky disclaimers aside, Mr. Sirota suggested that there’s plenty to learn from Chávez.

Read more (paywall): Opinion | All Bernie’s Socialists
 
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If you'd been paying attention, you'd have noticed that Our President has been calling on the Federal Reserve Bank to act more like Venezuela.
 
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The difference, of course, is that you are exaggerating and the WSJ isn’t.
Herman Cain on the Federal Reserve Board.
That's what the Orange Clown is talking about.
And while the WSJ is excellent reporting news, their opinion page is as tilted as Breitbart.
 
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Nov 2018
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There have been several forum threads recently on both socialism and democratic socialism. Pick any of these discussions and you don't have to scroll down too far before you read some conservative chiming in with something like "How'd that socialism thing work out for you in Venezuela?" (guilty!)

You can be equally sure fans of Bernie and/or AOC will quickly reply and say how stupid it is to bring up Venezuela and how American democratic socialism is different. We, of course, hear the very same from Sanders and AOC themselves.

Well, an absolutely piercing editorial from Monday's WSJ shines a bright light on that lie. Since there's so much quotable from the piece please read it in its entirety. The emphasis in the last paragraph is mine.

Viva la revolución.

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All Bernie’s Socialists
The candidate’s advisers want America to be more like Venezuela.
By The Editorial Board
April 8, 2019 6:37 p.m. ET

Bernie Sanders, the man who pushed the Democratic Party left, now finds himself up against those who’ve adopted his policies including Kamala Harris, Corey Booker and Elizabeth Warren. Image: Getty

Socialism is cool again, and Bernie Sanders wants to reassure voters that there’s nothing to worry about. “I think what we have to do, and I will be doing it, is to do a better job maybe in explaining what we mean by socialism—democratic socialism,” Mr. Sanders said last month. He has also said that conservatives portray his brand of socialism “as authoritarianism and communism and Venezuela, and that’s nonsense.”

We wish that were true. But we’ve been reading the work of Bernie’s senior political advisers, and their words deserve more attention. Take speechwriter David Sirota, who joined the Sanders campaign in March, though he had been attacking the Vermont Senator’s Democratic opponents on Twitter for months.

Mr. Sirota wrote an op-ed for Salon in 2013 titled “Hugo Chávez’s Economic Miracle.” Mr. Sirota conceded, Chávez “was no saint” and “amassed a troubling record when it came to protecting human rights and basic democratic freedoms.” Those pesky disclaimers aside, Mr. Sirota suggested that there’s plenty to learn from Chávez.

Read more (paywall): Opinion | All Bernie’s Socialists
Essentially there is nothing of any significance here; this is just another attempt by someone who does not understand the difference between socialism and communism.
 
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I wonder ?? Does the article explore the ramifications of the U.S policy towards Venezuela ?? Oil is the single biggest export, and we were their single biggest customer. When we embargoed their oil we took their primary source of income. How many of you could stand a 30% 40% or even 50% reduction in your income ?? Venezuela's issues didn't occur in a vacuum.
 
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I wonder ?? Does the article explore the ramifications of the U.S policy towards Venezuela ?? Oil is the single biggest export, and we were their single biggest customer. When we embargoed their oil we took their primary source of income. How many of you could stand a 30% 40% or even 50% reduction in your income ?? Venezuela's issues didn't occur in a vacuum.
The tidbits that NatMorton selected do not seem to be very sophisticated. But. we will never know.