The Great Venezuelan Lie from the Democratic Socialists

Dec 2018
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But we have waged a 20 year war of sanctions and embargoes against Venezuela for trying to the the exact same thing
Can you please cite the specific acts of war and/or sanction legislation? I read mention of sanctions, in particular, from you folks often, but you're awfully vague about it.
 
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Good point. Alaska, land of the libertarians, conservatives and capitalists, has a program to give all Alaskan residents, yearly, a oil revenue payment via the "Alaska Permanent Fund".

The amazing true socialist miracle of the Alaska Permanent Fund
Norway has a similar system but I don't think it issues checks to citizens, they just finance their socialist programs with the money. Thing is, the North Sea oil will run out, then what?
 
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But we have waged a 20 year war of sanctions and embargoes against Venezuela for trying to the the exact same thing Kuwait has always done. WHY do we give Kuwait our full military support and protection but punish Venezuela ??
Kuwait is unique because it occupies a strategic position on the Persian Gulf. Venezuela has no particular strategic value other than their oil.
Because they started the process of nationalizing the oil industry after the oil companies built the industry. Its a common practice among communist and socialist countries. They made American oil company employees unwecome and actually kicked them out of the country. This is not friendly behaviour and the first steps of actual action is usually sanctions. Biting the hand that feeds them is a good way to solicite a slap in the face, or a kick in the ass.
 
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Norway has a similar system but I don't think it issues checks to citizens, they just finance their socialist programs with the money. Thing is, the North Sea oil will run out, then what?
You seem to be missing the central point. This resource is shared socially rather than benefiting a select group. The issue is not the specific resource, it is the choice of how the society chose to deal with available industry or resource for community benefit. The resource might be health services, oil, lumber, taxes, air, water, power, etc. etc.
 
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I would put it slightly differently. They seek certain types of behavior from individuals, and they think they can get it without the threat of force from the state. That is their great mistake, because people tend to act in their best interest and not always in the best interest of "society" (i.e. the state). That's the watershed moment. Do the socialists or do the socialists not use their concentrated, centralized power to compel desired behavior. People being people, the power gets used and the downward spiral begins.
You are mixing up many unrelated concepts here (as usual) NatMorton to get to some unrelated conclusion.
Presumably you are opposed to "compelled behavior" by capitalists as well....or are you?
 
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The issue is why you think that "socialism" compels behavior with the implication that "capitalism" does not. You should make your case clearly rather disingenuously.
It's not all or nothing, Biff. There are obligations in any ordered society. In a socialist system, however, you have far fewer individual freedoms, especially when it comes to property rights. And count me among those who think property rights and human rights are two sides of the same coin. If you don't respect what's mine, you don't respect me.
 
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It's not all or nothing, Biff. There are obligations in any ordered society. In a socialist system, however, you have far fewer individual freedoms, especially when it comes to property rights. And count me among those who think property rights and human rights are two sides of the same coin. If you don't respect what's mine, you don't respect me.
Once again, you are avoiding the very issue that you presented. The issue concerns "compelled behavior" and your presumed assumptions about that in relation to socialism. Are you suggesting that "compelled behavior" only concerns property rights and that somehow capitalism does not restrict property rights? You need to work on your clarity of expression and avoid loading comments with bias, explicitly and implicitly.