The immigration solution isn't on the border

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The solution to our immigration woes, lies in the Mexican economy. If they could make a decent living, they wouldn't even want to come here.

No more eminent domain on our borders.
No more immigrant back logs.
No more, or very few border patrol.
No more coyotes.
No more dead Mexicans in the desert
Very few immigrant detention centers.

In fact, if their economy was close to ours, we'd only need a small fraction of what we have on our southern border.

Come to think of it, our southern neighbors would be about like our northern ones.

Fact: Minimum wage in Mexico is $5 per DAY (not hour) $5 per hour down there, would be a middle class wage. IF those American companies that build manufacturing plants down there would pay $5 per hour, (and the other big companies) Mexico's economy would grow a lot faster than it's growing now.

If I was the president of Mexico, I make all foreign companies pay at least $5 hr.
 
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The solution to our immigration woes, lies in the Mexican economy. If they could make a decent living, they wouldn't even want to come here.

No more eminent domain on our borders.
No more immigrant back logs.
No more, or very few border patrol.
No more coyotes.
No more dead Mexicans in the desert
Very few immigrant detention centers.

In fact, if their economy was close to ours, we'd only need a small fraction of what we have on our southern border.

Come to think of it, our southern neighbors would be about like our northern ones.

Fact: Minimum wage in Mexico is $5 per DAY (not hour) $5 per hour down there, would be a middle class wage. IF those American companies that build manufacturing plants down there would pay $5 per hour, (and the other big companies) Mexico's economy would grow a lot faster than it's growing now.

If I was the president of Mexico, I make all foreign companies pay at least $5 hr.
Let me say that I don't really understand what you're saying here. Since I don't understand, let me take you down Memory Lane for a minute.

Back in the 1990s we had a lot of civilian organizations were organized and fighting, as groups, against a host of evils. Some anti-tax protesters fought against the illegal 16th Amendment; some people were fighting to reclaim their status as freemen by fighting the illegally ratified 14th Amendment. People were fighting against National ID Card bills, especially SSN based ID. We had almost defeated the 16th Amendment and the income tax BEFORE the left flipped the right and got conservatives to support Socialism, National Socialism, and Communism.

Some people were fighting against eminent domain abuses. That was where places like Walmart would come to town, have your home condemned because Walmart would give more money to the government in taxes than you could pay. And we had people organized to protect private property along the border. The left flipped the right on that issue and now there is little toleration for people to help private property owners. So, having said that, I need some clarification of what your meant with your first suggestion.
 
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The solution to our immigration woes, lies in the Mexican economy. If they could make a decent living, they wouldn't even want to come here.

No more eminent domain on our borders.
No more immigrant back logs.
No more, or very few border patrol.
No more coyotes.
No more dead Mexicans in the desert
Very few immigrant detention centers.

In fact, if their economy was close to ours, we'd only need a small fraction of what we have on our southern border.

Come to think of it, our southern neighbors would be about like our northern ones.

Fact: Minimum wage in Mexico is $5 per DAY (not hour) $5 per hour down there, would be a middle class wage. IF those American companies that build manufacturing plants down there would pay $5 per hour, (and the other big companies) Mexico's economy would grow a lot faster than it's growing now.

If I was the president of Mexico, I make all foreign companies pay at least $5 hr.
Not understanding your argument?
 
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I'm saying their economy is so bad, that they have to migrate. Since they can't migrate south (because there's a huge ocean), they have to come here. I know things are cheaper in Mexico. Especially when you get further from the border. But if most people can't make a living in Mexico, if they don't have much security, they're gonna migrate.
If the president of the country wanted to help improve things down there, he'd force the foreign companies (Microsoft, GM, and a whole slew of others) to pay their employee's about $5 per hour (instead of $5 to $10 per day)

Improve their economy, more people could make a living, more taxes would be collected and more people could stay down there. Hell, if their economy was half as good as ours, they wouldn't wanna come here.
 
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Mexicans and Central Americans primarily flee their country to flee poverty.
Do what we can to reduce poverty in those countries and we reduce the number of people desperate to come here, even illegally.
Simple enough.
It's just common sense, actually. Plus when you consider how crime infests impoverished cities and in this case, countries. High crime and poverty makes for a lot of migration.
 
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Speaking of eminent domain....here's an update from National Immigration Forum.
Pretty interesting stuff.
History first: President George W. Bush signed the Secure Fence Act (H.R. 6061) on October 26, 2006. The bill, which passed with bipartisan support (after 9/11), directed the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to construct 700 miles of barriers along the Southern border. While most of the barriers were eventually built on federal lands along the Southern border thereby avoiding the need for eminent domain, some of the barriers were built on privately-owned land (mostly along the Rio Grande in Texas) and required the use of the eminent domain.
What you may NOT know is that more than a decade after the original 334 cases were filed in South Texas after passage of the Secure Fence Act, there are approximately 60 to 70 eminent domain cases that are still pending. The cases remain unresolved mostly due to disagreements about the proper amount of compensation to the landowners. UH OH!
The cases that have been resolved took an average of approximately three-and-a-half years to be settled. Let me repeat that: THREE and a half YEARS.
UhOH times 10!
Trump and friends have been busy. They've continued to send survey notices and purchases requests to landowners.

In addition, as recently as January 2019, the Justice Department placed online job postings for new attorneys to handle border wall litigation in South Texas, an indication of upcoming litigation surrounding future property seizures. Tick Tock.
AND knowing Trump as we all do, I bet you won't be surprised to hear that the Boys Club is attempting to circumvent the process. I know--right--so shocking.
Here's another shocker. The Feds are offering compensation which does NOT reflect the value of the land, which would include water rights. The cases pending are often being mismanaged--silly details like identifying the correct property owner and/or the accurate property lines.
It gets worse.
In other instances, the government mistakenly compensated landowners for the property they did not own and failed to recover such payments after realizing its mistakes.

LMAO!! Making America Greater and Greater! Trump 2020!! Let's do some more of this GOOD STUFF, right??

Eminent Domain Along the Southern Border: Government Seizures of Private Property - National Immigration Forum
 
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THE first step in fixing our illegal immigration issues is, always has been, and always will be, SEVERE PUNISHMENT for the traitorous bastards that hire them. The OP is partially right in that most come here for economic reasons. If however there simply weren’t any jobs they wouldn’t come. When the 1% like DONALD ducking TRUMP are facing prison and bankruptcy level fines for employing illegals (Trump had dozens on his payrolls, some for more than a decade) then and only then will we fix the problem. As long as the government ALLOWS them to create and use plausible deniability, let’s them walk with minimal fines and few arrests, we will never solve the problem.
 
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According to some sneaky stuff in the Real ID Act, certain federal agents don't even need a warrant to trespass on ones property down there (or anywhere probably).

BTW, I have an idea for Deficit Don, how about building the wall on the Mexican side. I mean hell, if he's going to take land from people, who take it from Americans?

This would be a "Just how big a boy are you" moment for Trump.
 
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THE first step in fixing our illegal immigration issues is, always has been, and always will be, SEVERE PUNISHMENT for the traitorous bastards that hire them. The OP is partially right in that most come here for economic reasons. If however there simply weren’t any jobs they wouldn’t come. When the 1% like DONALD ducking TRUMP are facing prison and bankruptcy level fines for employing illegals (Trump had dozens on his payrolls, some for more than a decade) then and only then will we fix the problem. As long as the government ALLOWS them to create and use plausible deniability, let’s them walk with minimal fines and few arrests, we will never solve the problem.
I personally don't agree with the government having the authority to tell business owners who they can hire.
 
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