The real cause of the little ice age

Nov 2012
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Yes, diseases were exchanged between both cultures.

but the colonization did not begin until the 1500s. 200 years after the beginnings of the little ice age.

There is evidence that the Vikings discovered the Americas few 100 years before Columbus.

The Vikings could not colonize the Americas because the fall of the Nordic sea power ended with the Little Ice age..
It think that it was a lot earlier than that - there's a great deal to suggest that Irish and British sailors got there well before, and there was (I reckon) regular fishing off Newfoundland well before Spanish settlement,organised by such people as the Bristol businessman Ap Meurig, whom the Bristolians called Amerig. Perhaps the real contact was limited, though we were always told that Prince Madoc founded a whole tribe over there. Who can tell!
 
Nov 2012
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#12
It think that it was a lot earlier than that - there's a great deal to suggest that Irish and British sailors got there well before, and there was (I reckon) regular fishing off Newfoundland well before Spanish settlement,organised by such people as the Bristol businessman Ap Meurig, whom the Bristolians called Amerig. Perhaps the real contact was limited, though we were always told that Prince Madoc founded a whole tribe over there. Who can tell!

Irish maybe Brits no, because if they had they would have colonized, the brits at that time were an expanding empire, Irish had no means to conlonize
 
Apr 2015
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The thing that bothers me is that everything suggests that a great number of Europeans 'discovered' America before Columbus. Were Spaniards peculiarly infected with disease? I don't doubt that meeting them killed of millions and millions, but I wonder what happened before!
Everything doesn't suggest that.
There is some evidence that the vikings might have had a small settlement for around a year, but apart from that nothing else as been proven.
 
Nov 2012
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Irish maybe Brits no, because if they had they would have colonized, the brits at that time were an expanding empire, Irish had no means to conlonize
At what time? Before the Norse they were just a mix of small British states and gangs of German mercenaries going back on the deals they'd made and stealing things. You are getting your times mixed up.
 
Sep 2015
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So many people were killed when Europeans first conquered and settled the Americas that a large number of acres of cropland was allowed to revert to forest, pulling that much CO2 from the atmosphere that temperatures dropped. The Maunder Minimum didn't do dick.

Or so a new study from University College London, UK. says.

America colonisation ‘cooled climate’

Makes more sense to me. The article lists the reasoning and where the data comes from for those who want to dig.

Here's the actual paper. https://reader.elsevier.com/reader/...8F50F440DD34DE1E140401D9F53DF4031164E61BB0238
The Maunder Minimum is the root cause of every Little Ice Age. We are due for another Maunder Minimum unless it has already arrived.
 
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Dec 2016
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The thing that bothers me is that everything suggests that a great number of Europeans 'discovered' America before Columbus. Were Spaniards peculiarly infected with disease? I don't doubt that meeting them killed of millions and millions, but I wonder what happened before!
Yes, actually compared to natives of 'discoverd lands' the Spaniards and every other European explorer were disease vectors, because of livestock-born diseases that were rampant all across Europe, Asia and into northern Africa.
In the Americas, there were no animals suitable for penned-in intensive animal agriculture, so the closest equivalent were the controlled buffalo hunts on the plains....which prior to the introduction of horses and guns required the carefully planned out stampeding of a small herd over a sudden, shallow cliff known as a buffalo drop...where word would be sent out to every tribal group within range to come in and take free meat and hides available.
In the forest regions of the Northeast, 'buffalo runs' were created by burning out narrow tracts of forest that bison, deer and elk...and predators would follow deeper into vulnerable enclosed spaces because their desire for fresh vegetation overruled their better judgement. The usual pattern according to oral histories of Erie, Chippewa, Iroquioan and other tribal nations were that treaties had to be made to allow multinational management of animals...but often, when times were harder, tribes closer to the plains would cull too many bison, leaving little or nothing for those at the end of the buffalo run....the Erie indians who lived along the south shore of Lake Erie at present day - Buffalo, New York, and that would obviously lead to conflict, which would lead to wars and breakdowns in treaties and turn everything into chaos.

Back to the subject though, this kind of hunting..as well as open field and open forest hunting did not put prey species in close, symbiotic relationship with their human predators, and that prevented the influenzas and bacterial diseases from jumping species to humans....therefore, people of the New World weren't weak, they were actually stronger and mostly infectious disease free because of the lack of contagious diseases. But that put them all right in direct risk of death from infectious diseases that outsiders had adapted through by a long process of epidemics and survival of the fittest that were able to fend off diseases.
 
Dec 2016
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The Maunder Minimum is the root cause of every Little Ice Age. We are due for another Maunder Minimum unless it has already arrived.
At 410, CO2 levels are much too high already for the Maunder Minimum to cause any increases in ice and decreases in global temperature. During the entire 12,000 Holocene interglacial period, CO2 levels never rose above 300 ppm....until now!
 
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The Maunder Minimum is the root cause of every Little Ice Age. We are due for another Maunder Minimum unless it has already arrived.
The Maunder Minimum roughly coincided with the middle part of the Little Ice Age, during which Europe and North America experienced colder than average temperatures. Whether there is a causal relationship, however, is still under evaluation.[13] Research at the Technical University of Denmark and the Hebrew University of Jerusalem has linked large solar eruptions to changes in the Earth's cloud cover and clouds are known to affect global temperatures.[14] The current best hypothesis for the cause of the Little Ice Age is that it was the result of volcanic action.[15][16] The onset of the Little Ice Age also occurred well before the beginning of the Maunder minimum[15], and northern-hemisphere temperatures during the Maunder minimum were not significantly different from the previous 80 years,[17] suggesting a decline in solar activity was not the main causal driver of the Little Ice Age.
 
Nov 2012
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At 410, CO2 levels are much too high already for the Maunder Minimum to cause any increases in ice and decreases in global temperature. During the entire 12,000 Holocene interglacial period, CO2 levels never rose above 300 ppm....until now!
Not True, the CO2 is the highest known to exist. but this is the 5 warmest (4 previous were warmer) major warming cycles in the last 400,000 years. you have to go back to 550,000 years to find a cooler major warming cycle, proving CO2 IS NOT the major factor in warming.

The Sun and Water Vapor are the 2 driving forces. once the cooling starts the water vapor becomes Ice. The Ice freezes, the melts the next warming cycle.

the Modern Global warming began ~10,000 years ago.. but Hoax mongers want to focus only on the last 160 years. (Post 1881), and want the lemmings to ignore the last ~9,840 years of warming.