The seven deadly sins

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First off, Se7en is top 10 movie in my personal all time list. Just throwing that out there

Second, I think almost everything, including each of the 7 deadly sins, are fine in moderation.

Pride: I have no issue with someone being proud of their accomplishments. I injured my hip back in 2015, it kept me from running for nearly two years, but last year I broke my personal record in a half marathon (1:55 if anyone is curious). Is it bad that I'm proud of it?

Envy: Not something I like to partake in too often, but envy can serve as an effective motivator. If my co-worker works his ass off and gets a $10K bonus, being envious of him can push me to work harder in hopes of myself landing a big bonus.

Gluttony: Again, everything in moderation. I'm a foody. Not gonna hide it. So if someone offers me some greasy-ass buttermilk fried chicken cooked in a cast iron skillet, YOU BETTER BELIEVE I'M HAVING ME SOME. But I might counter that with a salad or two that week. Give me all the food! But be smart

Lust: Look at it this way. The pornography industry is a multi-billion dollar industry. If tomorrow the industry stopped making new content, you think anybody would notice? You think there's anyone out there saying "There's just not enough porn these days." No! So why do they keep making it? Because they like to do it.

Anger: Remember when I said Se7en was top 10 movie for me? Well another movie in that list is Inside Out. And if you haven't seen it, it teaches us (children) that we don't need to always be happy. It's okay to be sad. It's okay to be scared. And yes, it's okay to be angry. I'm not gonna explain further. Just go see the movie. SOOOOO GOOD

Greed: While I do agree we shouldn't be greedy about any individual thing, where this sin loses me the "ignoring the realm of the spiritual." As an atheist, I can't ignore the realm of the spiritual any more than I can ignore the realm of the dream-world. Until evidence is presented that there is a realm of the spiritual, I take the default position to disbelieve that one exists.

Sloth: This is similar to "Greed". I agree we shouldn't be lazy. We should explore, we should be active, we should try new things. But I disregard the "avoidance of spiritual work" for reasons already explained.

I actually really enjoyed this reply. I'm proud of this... DAMN IT I DID IT AGAIN!:zany:
 
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I actually really enjoyed this reply. I'm proud of this... DAMN IT I DID IT AGAIN!:zany:
Maybe you've jumped the gun, being so pleased with yourself. You should wait and reevaluate this assessment, after you've arrived in hell.
 
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The seven deadly sins

Pride is excessive belief in one's own abilities, that interferes with the individual's recognition of the grace of God. It has been called the sin from which all others arise. Pride is also known as Vanity.

Envy is the desire for others' traits, status, abilities, or situation.

Gluttony is an inordinate desire to consume more than that which one requires.

Lust is an inordinate craving for the pleasures of the body.

Anger is manifested in the individual who spurns love and opts instead for fury. It is also known as Wrath.

Greed is the desire for material wealth or gain, ignoring the realm of the spiritual. It is also called Avarice or Covetousness.

Sloth is the avoidance of physical or spiritual work.


Seven Deadly Sins
Those are evils, no doubt, but I notice it's a rather poor list, miserable list, for what it doesn't point out: the sin of lying, being a liar. There is, in fact, a fascinating truth you see in John 8:44, the link between a liar and a murderer, as is Satan, "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

Two things are fascinating, one you can see for yourself, in these true crime documentaries and dramas. I don't recall seeing a malice murderer that was an honest person, that didn't lie before the murder, that didn't lie after the murder, that didn't lie in court, and most continue to lie from prison, the idea of getting an appeal likely impotice to take their deceptions clear to hell, but unrepentant liars do the greatest evils. Secondly, I don't have stats, but, you take the whole of Judeo-Christian scripture, there is, clearly, much more condemnation of liars than murderers, more time spent excoriating liars as being wicked and headed for destruction than any other sin.

So, that liars aren't on the list is a huge hole in it, as if somebody died, before finishing the list, or some liar's list, the devil big on seeding truths with lies or omitting inconvenient truths to his evil, destructive ends, how convenient for lying and liars they don't even make the list of big sinners? Say what? Liars being sinners God complains of most? Notice how all liars, not some liars, are specifically mentioned as not needing to pack a sweater, again, cover to cover condemned in scripture, and this made painfully clear in the end of the Bible, the point made being a liar is, obviously, among as bad as it gets, to Holy God,

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Obviously, lying is very deadly. You need, therefore, at least Eight Deadly Sins. Only seven makes a liar of you...
 
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Maybe you've jumped the gun, being so pleased with yourself. You should wait and reevaluate this assessment, after you've arrived in hell.
You would need to provide evidence a hell exists in order for me to be worried about it
 
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You would need to provide evidence a hell exists in order for me to be worried about it
If you require proof the bridge is washed-out up ahead, go ahead, tell me I'm full of it and mash on the accelerator. Guess it's simply bye bye. Actually, there is proof, but you will refuse the proof, man's spiritual blindness and believing what he wants to believe fatal to finding truth, nothing I can do to help you, either.

What follows is your condition, and you will refuse to believe, no matter what, hence God will not open your eyes. Bottom line, your problem is that you don't love God, you prefer your evil, cling to your evil, cling to the ways of death,

Luke 16:19-31 "There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day. But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate, desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham's bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

"Then he cried and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.' But Abraham said, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.'

"Then he said, 'I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father's house, for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.' Abraham said to him, 'They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.' And he said, 'No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.' But he said to him, 'If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.' "
 
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The seven deadly sins


No matter if you are a religious person or not one must recognize that wisdom has been passed down thru the ages in the by religion. Take the ten commandments many of them are just good rules for a civilized society. The seven deadly sins are another great example of this.

The movie seven had an interesting take on realizing them.


Lets take a look at them.






People have always been immoral, shiftless, and self-gratifying. For ages, humankind struggled to find a conceptual system to operationalize their spiritual shortcomings.

Pride is excessive belief in one's own abilities, that interferes with the individual's recognition of the grace of God. It has been called the sin from which all others arise. Pride is also known as Vanity.

Envy is the desire for others' traits, status, abilities, or situation.

Gluttony is an inordinate desire to consume more than that which one requires.

Lust is an inordinate craving for the pleasures of the body.

Anger is manifested in the individual who spurns love and opts instead for fury. It is also known as Wrath.

Greed is the desire for material wealth or gain, ignoring the realm of the spiritual. It is also called Avarice or Covetousness.

Sloth is the avoidance of physical or spiritual work.


Seven Deadly Sins
Most of these were just designed to keep believers in check and establish a code.

Honestly, morals were always a thing. Chrisitanity then came in and acted like they were the first to think these and claimed credit.
 
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If you require proof the bridge is washed-out up ahead, go ahead, tell me I'm full of it and mash on the accelerator. Guess it's simply bye bye. Actually, there is proof, but you will refuse the proof, man's spiritual blindness and believing what he wants to believe fatal to finding truth, nothing I can do to help you, either.

What follows is your condition, and you will refuse to believe, no matter what, hence God will not open your eyes. Bottom line, your problem is that you don't love God, you prefer your evil, cling to your evil, cling to the ways of death,

Luke 16:19-31 "There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day. But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate, desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham's bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

"Then he cried and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.' But Abraham said, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.'

"Then he said, 'I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father's house, for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.' Abraham said to him, 'They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.' And he said, 'No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.' But he said to him, 'If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.' "
Just like a Christian, quote the bible to prove the bible.

You talk of proof of hell, PLEASE be the first to prove this exists.

If there were ANY physical proof there was a god, nearly everyone on this planet would be Christian.

But there isn't.
 
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Honestly, morals were always a thing. Chrisitanity then came in and acted like they were the first to think these and claimed credit.
Just a little advice, if you're thinking of becoming a theologian, don't quit your day job. Christianity, in fact, owns the law, pursuing some code on paper, the least of all religious faiths, how you could claim Christianity takes credit for and ownership of what amounts to Mosaic law, or man's very God-given conscience, is just a tad divorced from any Christian doctrine. Christianity isn't really even a religion, as other religions of man, has no code checklist that's going to suffice, unlike all other religions. As a matter of fact, a primary doctrine of Christianity is how your problems begin with your checklist, that morality is not simply a code. Rather, a primary tenant of Christianity is how code saves nobody.

Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Romans 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
 
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Just a little advice, if you're thinking of becoming a theologian, don't quit your day job. Christianity, in fact, owns the law, pursuing some code on paper, the least of all religious faiths, how you could claim Christianity takes credit for and ownership of what amounts to Mosaic law, or man's very God-given conscience, is just a tad divorced from any Christian doctrine. Christianity isn't really even a religion, as other religions of man, has no code checklist that's going to suffice, unlike all other religions. As a matter of fact, a primary doctrine of Christianity is how your problems begin with your checklist, that morality is not simply a code. Rather, a primary tenant of Christianity is how code saves nobody.

Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Romans 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
Who are you to say that other religions codes "won't suffice"?

You are such a typical religious nutjob. You've been indoctrinated in the cult of Christianity. Forever filling you need for answers by flipping the next page of the gospels instead of looking for answers in science and facts.

You literally proved me right by saying "morality isn't a code"

Yeah that's my point. That's why it didn't start with Christianity. It always existed, Jesus or god didn't make it, it was always deeply rooted in our society.
 
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Just like a Christian, quote the bible to prove the bible.

You talk of proof of hell, PLEASE be the first to prove this exists.

If there were ANY physical proof there was a god, nearly everyone on this planet would be Christian.

But there isn't.
Detailed, fulfilled prophecy, hundreds of stunning, detailed prophecies fulfilled by the Lord Jesus at His first coming, alone, proves the God of the Bible, that there is One omniscient that knows the future that no man can possibly know. God demonstrated so and plainly said so, of this very proof,

Isaiah 46:9-10 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

That prophecy is, hands down, supernatural scripture proof in black and white. There is, in fact, a lot of proof, in other ways you would not dispute of somebody proving science, guilt or innocence in a court of law. It is a fact that you WILL reject any proof you are provided, immediately. You won't really even look at it. It's all over the web, and all you'll do is cover your eyes, cover your ears and make loud noises, should any truth leak into your brain that violates the unbelief you choose and insist upon. You love your evil, more than God, and He will not let you see. You're spritually dead, as a matter of fact.

The point is, nothing can be proven to you, as you can't come to God, other than by faith, that you may see. You're asking me to waste my time on you, an evil scoffer, the bottom line, but this is your problem. Again, you are one of these, 'If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.'