The seven deadly sins

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I love how you resort to name calling. So very Christian of you.

If your God gives people the ability to reason and then offers no evidence of his existence and then punishes, for eternity, those who use their ability to reason to come a conclusion that he doesn’t exist...then your God is the #1 asshole of the universe.
I especially love the threat of a non-existent Hell :D I guess Christianity wasn't getting as many converts with Jesus "peace and love" initiative, so they resorted to the old "carrot and stick" routine. And isn't it disgusting how perverted those "christians" are about other people's suffering? They get hard-ons over the prospect of people suffering (and THEY ALWAYS HAVE).

I wish the REAL Christians would do something about the fake ones. You know, kinda like how the evangelicals are always saying "why don't the GOOD muslims do something about the bad ones?".
 
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I love how you resort to name calling. So very Christian of you.

If your God gives people the ability to reason and then offers no evidence of his existence and then punishes, for eternity, those who use their ability to reason to come a conclusion that he doesn’t exist...then your God is the #1 asshole of the universe.
You mean Nimsy? Believe me, that's hardly name calling, when I've even avoided the Christian extent of characterizing people like you, what scripture calls the bottom line likes of you. It ain't near as perty as Nimsy! As a matter of fact, I've shown great restraint and pity on you, in this regard. You really are the ungrateful type. That aside, I thought I told you to go hunting!
 
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I especially love the threat of a non-existent Hell :D I guess Christianity wasn't getting as many converts with Jesus "peace and love" initiative, so they resorted to the old "carrot and stick" routine. And isn't it disgusting how perverted those "christians" are about other people's suffering? They get hard-ons over the prospect of people suffering (and THEY ALWAYS HAVE).

I wish the REAL Christians would do something about the fake ones. You know, kinda like how the evangelicals are always saying "why don't the GOOD muslims do something about the bad ones?".
There is no carrot and stick routine. Fear of hell, alone, will keep nobody from hell. The unheeded warning is part of the justice that will prevail, that speaks volumns of your depravity, in the face of Holy God's sacrifice, longsuffering and hand of mercy. But I don't expect you to understand this. You can't, or you would not say the things you do. You're so spiritually dead and of a reprobate mind you don't even see common sense, that people that wished your suffering and damnation, as you claim, wouldn't even warn you, then. How dumb a notion is that? Or would tell you all sorts of lies you'd rather hear, that would likewise lead you to damnation. You're so bent you're even in love with your enemies, that lie to you, that are destroying you. Everything you do love, that you want to believe, the Godless lies you subscribe to, ironically, are what will damn you, as you go about hating even the mention of your only chance at salvation and a good life, and hating anybody that mentions this, that would try to help you. You're too busy hating the people, hating God, really, that would wish better for you, to simply stop and rationally think about these things. When you think about it, is there any wonder there's a hell, for those so entrenched in an evil hatred of Holy God? In any event, if anybody wanted your suffering, nobody would care to see your salvation, most of all the God you hate, the Lord Jesus, Himself. You may as well be screaming how much you prefer to be damned. Incredible blindness is your problem, and that's a personal problem, not those that know the truth.
 
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There is no carrot and stick routine. Fear of hell, alone, will keep nobody from hell. The unheeded warning is part of the justice that will prevail, that speaks volumns of your depravity, in the face of Holy God's sacrifice, longsuffering and hand of mercy. But I don't expect you to understand this. You can't, or you would not say the things you do. You're so spiritually dead and of a reprobate mind you don't even see common sense, that people that wished your suffering and damnation, as you claim, wouldn't even warn you, then. How dumb a notion is that? Or would tell you all sorts of lies you'd rather hear, that would likewise lead you to damnation. You're so bent you're even in love with your enemies, that lie to you, that are destroying you. Everything you do love, that you want to believe, the Godless lies you subscribe to, ironically, are what will damn you, as you go about hating even the mention of your only chance at salvation and a good life, and hating anybody that mentions this, that would try to help you. You're too busy hating the people, hating God, really, that would wish better for you, to simply stop and rationally think about these things. When you think about it, is there any wonder there's a hell, for those so entrenched in an evil hatred of Holy God? In any event, if anybody wanted your suffering, nobody would care to see your salvation, most of all the God you hate, the Lord Jesus, Himself. You may as well be screaming how much you prefer to be damned. Incredible blindness is your problem, and that's a personal problem, not those that know the truth.
MY depravity? You are the fake Christian in here threatening people with hellfire. I can tell who you voted for JUST BY THE FACT YOU ARE A FAKE CHRISTIAN :D

My suggestion? How about increasing your IQ by, oh, about 50 points. That should put you on par with a normal person. Then how about this idea: READ ACTUAL HISTORY BOOKS??? Radical, right?

I think this video might help you grow up. Enjoy.

 

imaginethat

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That restless conscience always gets you guys angry, doesn't it? Tsk, tsk... But I'd probably be cranky, too, with nothing but hell to look forward to. You can run, but you can't hide.
Tsk, tsk?

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
 
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Tsk, tsk?

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
That you apparently interpret that verse to say the wages of sin is, as if, physical death, or any sort of cessation, whatsoever, you need to look again. A Bible is not many pages, because God is verbose, rather there is no Johnny-one-verse theology, period.

Everybody not born again, of the Spirit, is spiritually dead, as surely as Adam and Eve died, spiritually, not physically, the day they sinned. The Holy Spirit of Christ is that eternal life. Physical death comes to all, the question is what then?

Well, the Bible is clear. If you don't believe the Bible, fine, then forget about it, but there's nothing ambiguous here, as if not to mention the Lord Jesus told people hell is so bad to cut your arm off or pluck out an offending eye, first, if mere physical death were the wages of sin, which, again, all share, or cessation of life any such dire threat, at all.

The rich man in hell is not the Lord Jesus, God in flesh, of the Spirit without measure, confused, telling a tale that's an unfortunate, misleading, hence deceptive, metaphor. You should actually read what God has to say, rather than dismiss clear scripture warnings, at least anybody that lays any claim to the faith. When you start ripping pages from the Bible, all you windup with is what's called a cult. Here is some of what the Bible clearly states:

Luke 16:19-31 "There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day. But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate, desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham's bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

"Then he cried and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.' But Abraham said, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.'

"Then he said, 'I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father's house, for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.' Abraham said to him, 'They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.' And he said, 'No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.' But he said to him, 'If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.' "

Matthew 13:40-42 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 25:41,46 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels... And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.

Mark 9:42-48 But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to stumble, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea. If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched, where 'Their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.' And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched, where 'Their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.' And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire, where 'Their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.'

Revelation 14:9-11 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: and the smoke of their torment ascends up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receives the mark of his name.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Luke 12:4-5 And I say to you, my friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear Him who, after He has killed, has power to cast into hell; yes, I say to you, fear Him!

It is very clear there's a much greater problem with being flip about rejecting God than you think, dire consequences, not simply lights out. You don't believe scripture, this is a personal problem of not believing God. Above are some of the scripture facts of Christian doctrine, and that's all there is to it. Hell is quite real, and quite terrible.
 
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MY depravity? You are the fake Christian in here threatening people with hellfire. I can tell who you voted for JUST BY THE FACT YOU ARE A FAKE CHRISTIAN :D

My suggestion? How about increasing your IQ by, oh, about 50 points. That should put you on par with a normal person. Then how about this idea: READ ACTUAL HISTORY BOOKS??? Radical, right?

I think this video might help you grow up. Enjoy.

Yawn.
 

imaginethat

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That you apparently interpret that verse to say the wages of sin is, as if, physical death, or any sort of cessation, whatsoever, you need to look again. A Bible is not many pages, because God is verbose, rather there is no Johnny-one-verse theology, period.

Everybody not born again, of the Spirit, is spiritually dead, as surely as Adam and Eve died, spiritually, not physically, the day they sinned. The Holy Spirit of Christ is that eternal life. Physical death comes to all, the question is what then?

Well, the Bible is clear. If you don't believe the Bible, fine, then forget about it, but there's nothing ambiguous here, as if not to mention the Lord Jesus told people hell is so bad to cut your arm off or pluck out an offending eye, first, if mere physical death were the wages of sin, which, again, all share, or cessation of life any such dire threat, at all.

The rich man in hell is not the Lord Jesus, God in flesh, of the Spirit without measure, confused, telling a tale that's an unfortunate, misleading, hence deceptive, metaphor. You should actually read what God has to say, rather than dismiss clear scripture warnings, at least anybody that lays any claim to the faith. When you start ripping pages from the Bible, all you windup with is what's called a cult. Here is some of what the Bible clearly states:

Luke 16:19-31 "There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day. But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate, desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham's bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

"Then he cried and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.' But Abraham said, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.'

"Then he said, 'I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father's house, for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.' Abraham said to him, 'They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.' And he said, 'No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.' But he said to him, 'If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.' "

Matthew 13:40-42 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 25:41,46 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels... And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.

Mark 9:42-48 But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to stumble, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea. If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched, where 'Their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.' And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched, where 'Their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.' And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire, where 'Their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.'

Revelation 14:9-11 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: and the smoke of their torment ascends up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receives the mark of his name.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Luke 12:4-5 And I say to you, my friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear Him who, after He has killed, has power to cast into hell; yes, I say to you, fear Him!

It is very clear there's a much greater problem with being flip about rejecting God than you think, dire consequences, not simply lights out. You don't believe scripture, this is a personal problem of not believing God. Above are some of the scripture facts of Christian doctrine, and that's all there is to it. Hell is quite real, and quite terrible.
God is the Creator of all people. "He hath made of one blood, all nations of men, to dwell on all the face of the earth." Acts 17:26 He would not have created intelligent beings, had he known they were to be forever miserable.

"Have we not all one Father? Hath not one God created us?" Mal. 2:10 A kind Father will not punish his children but for their good.

All people, of right, belong to God. "Behold, all souls are mine," saith the Lord. "As the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine." Ezek. 18:4 God will not give up what belongeth to him, to the dominion of sin and Satan forever.

God hath given all things to Christ, as the moral Ruler of the world. "Ask of me, and I will give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession." Psalms 2:8 "The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand." John 3:35 "All things," here, means all intelligent beings.

God gave all beings to Christ that he might save them. "Thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him." John 17:2 This plainly evinces, that it was God's design, in giving Christ dominion over all flesh, that they should all enjoy eternal life.

It is certain that Christ will save all that the Father hath given him. "All that the Father giveth me, shall come to me, and him that cometh to me I will in nowise cast out." John 6:37 These three propositions are irrefragable evidence of the final happiness of all men.

It is THE WILL of God that all beings shall be saved. "Who will have all men to be saved, and come unto the knowledge of the truth." KJV 1Tim. 2:4 By "all men", in this passage, is undoubtedly to be understood all the human race.


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imaginethat

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1 Tim. 2:1: "I exhort, therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men." Would God inspire the hearts of his saints to pray for the salvation of all humankind, if he knew they would not all be saved?

Jesus came to do the will of God. "My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work." John 4:34 The will of God is, that all people will be saved. This is his will, by way of distinction and preeminence. Jesus came to do this will. He came as the Savior, as the Savior of all men. He came as the good Shepherd, to seek and save that which was lost. He came to save all people, not only those who lived on the earth while he was here, but all who lived before, and all who have since lived, and all who shall live. Jesus gave himself a ransom for all; he tasted death for every man; and unto him, at last, every knee shall bow, and every tongure shall confess him Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Such is the way in which Jesus does the will of God.

The will of God cannot be resisted. "He doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?" Dan. 4:35. Who can resist a being of Almighty power? What God wills to take place, must take place. He wills the salvation of all men because it is right. A God of purity cannot desire endless sin and rebellion. If he wills the salvation of all people, he wills all the means by which it shall be accomplished; it must therefore take place.

God is love and love worketh no ill. "God is love." 1 John 4:8. "Love worketh no ill." Rom. 13:10. This is a very forcible argument. God's nature is the very essence of benevolence, and benevolence cannot be the origin of endless evil. If love worketh no ill, God can work no ill; and, therefore, God cannot be the author of endless evil.

God loves all humankind. "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son." John 3:16: and, as Jesus died for all people, so God loves all people. This argument adds great force to the last.

God loves even his enemies. For he requires men to love their enemies, which he could not do if he hated his. (Matt. 5:44) And Jesus declared, "for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil." Luke 6:35. This is but an amplification of the preceding argument. If God loves his enemies, he certainly loves all beings; for no one doubts that he loves his friends. And can God cause those to be endlessly miserable whom he loves?

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God is wise; and it cannot be a dictate of wisdom to create beings, and then make their existence a curse by entailing endless suffering to it. God foresaw all the consequences of our creation when he made us. He knew fully what the result would be to each individual. Is it possible, that infinite goodness could breathe life into unoffending dust, when it was clearly foreseen that endless evil would ensue? It was not possible. God must have created only to bless. "Love worketh no ill."

The wisdom of God is "full of mercy," and "without partiality." James 3:17. Full of mercy ... i.e. "ready to pass by a transgression, and to grant forgiveness to those who offend; and PERFORMING EVERY POSSIBLE ACT OF KINDNESS." Surely, a God of infinite power and skill, who "performs every possible act of kindness," will save his fallen creatures from their sins. "Without partiality," i.e. without making a difference. God is no respecter of persons. He is kind to all people, and he will perform every "possible act of kindness" to all people.

The pleasure of God is in favor of the salvation of all beings; and therefore, neither death, sin, nor pain, can be the ultimate object of God in reference to man. "As I live, saith the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked." Ezek. 33:11. Death and sin and pain may exist for a time; but if God has no pleasure in them of themselves, they are not the end at which he aims, but the means by which he accomplishes that end. The end in which God rests as his pleasure, design, or purpose, must be essentially benevolent, because he is essentially a benevolent God.

God created all people expressly for his pleasure, and, therefore, not for eternal suffering. "Thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created." Rev. 4:11 ...He made all things for his pleasure; and through the same motive he preserves. Hence, it is most evident, that he hateth nothing that he has made; and could have made no intelligent creature with the design to make it eternally miserable.

The pleasure of God shall prosper in the hand of Christ. "The pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand." Isaiah 53:10 ... [T]he pleasure of God is, to have all humans saved, and brought to the knowledge of the truth.

God's pleasure shall surely be accomplished. "So shall by word be that goeth forth out of my mouth; it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it." Isaiah 55:11. "I will do all my pleasure." 46:10 Does not this passage show that God's pleasure shall certainly be accomplished? His word shall not return unto him void: it shall accomplish what he please, and prosper in the object which he sent it to accomplish. God has no pleasure in the death or suffering of the sinner. That was not the object of creation. God created people for his pleasure, and his pleasure shall certainly be accomplished.

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