The seven deadly sins

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Part 4

God has purposed the salvation of all people. "Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure, which he hath purposed in himself, that in the dispensation of the fullness of times, he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth, even in him." (Eph. 1:9,10) It is evident from this passage, that God has purposed to gather together all things in Christ. God's purpose agrees with his will or pleasure. He wills to have all people saved; he has no pleasure in the death of the wicked; and accordingly he has purposed to gather together in one, all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth. This is God's purpose; this is what he has purposed in himself.

And this is not the gathering together of those things only which are in Christ, but the gathering together of all things in him. "Unto him shall the gathering of the people be." (Gen. 49:10) And Jesus confirms this: "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me." (John 12:32) Thus we see all things are to be gathered into Christ. They are all to have his spirit, and partake of his new creation; for "if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold all things are become new." (2 Cor. 5:17)

The purpose of God cannot fail: it must certainly be accomplished. "The Lord of hosts hath sworn, saying, surely as I have purposed, so shall it stand." (Isaiah 14:24) "For the Lord of hosts hath purposed, and who shall disannul it? And his hand is stretched out, and who shall turn it back?"( verse 27) "I have purposed it, I will also do it." (46:11) Now, whatever God purposes must take place. God can have no second thoughts; hence, Paul speaks of "the purpose of him who worketh all things according to the counsel (i.e. the previous consultations or deliberations) of his own will." (Eph 1:11) What, then, shall hinder the accomplishment of this purpose? Has he formed a plan which he cannot execute? No; the concurrent testimony of the sacred writers is, that whatever God has purposed, SHALL BE DONE. So let it be, O Lord.


100 Scriptural Proofs That Jesus Christ Will Save All Mankind

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I've wasted my time here as far as you are concerned, for we hear different Gospels and indeed we worship different Gods.

Your eternal and omniscient God created humankind knowing that the vast majority of his creations would suffer endlessly in conscious torment in hell, an eternal place also created and maintained by your God. Satan trumps your God and your Christ as he is successful in leading the overwhelming majority to eternal hell.

My eternal and omniscient God's victory is complete. Satan loses utterly to my God and my Christ, and that's why the Gospel I hear singing through the ages is good news. Your Gospel is very poor news indeed, for not only do only a few enjoy eternal life with Christ, those that do are eternally aware of their loved ones suffering eternally in hell.

However, not one point I've made will have one bit of influence on you.
 
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Are you even cognizant of the fact that Trump is guilty of ALL of them? Not just guilty of them but embodies them?

I find it amusing how some how or another you have developed this gift to make any subject about trump.... be very careful. Late stage 8s rumored to be deadly...
 
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First off, Se7en is top 10 movie in my personal all time list. Just throwing that out there

Second, I think almost everything, including each of the 7 deadly sins, are fine in moderation.

Pride: I have no issue with someone being proud of their accomplishments. I injured my hip back in 2015, it kept me from running for nearly two years, but last year I broke my personal record in a half marathon (1:55 if anyone is curious). Is it bad that I'm proud of it?

Envy: Not something I like to partake in too often, but envy can serve as an effective motivator. If my co-worker works his ass off and gets a $10K bonus, being envious of him can push me to work harder in hopes of myself landing a big bonus.

Gluttony: Again, everything in moderation. I'm a foody. Not gonna hide it. So if someone offers me some greasy-ass buttermilk fried chicken cooked in a cast iron skillet, YOU BETTER BELIEVE I'M HAVING ME SOME. But I might counter that with a salad or two that week. Give me all the food! But be smart

Lust: Look at it this way. The pornography industry is a multi-billion dollar industry. If tomorrow the industry stopped making new content, you think anybody would notice? You think there's anyone out there saying "There's just not enough porn these days." No! So why do they keep making it? Because they like to do it.

Anger: Remember when I said Se7en was top 10 movie for me? Well another movie in that list is Inside Out. And if you haven't seen it, it teaches us (children) that we don't need to always be happy. It's okay to be sad. It's okay to be scared. And yes, it's okay to be angry. I'm not gonna explain further. Just go see the movie. SOOOOO GOOD

Greed: While I do agree we shouldn't be greedy about any individual thing, where this sin loses me the "ignoring the realm of the spiritual." As an atheist, I can't ignore the realm of the spiritual any more than I can ignore the realm of the dream-world. Until evidence is presented that there is a realm of the spiritual, I take the default position to disbelieve that one exists.

Sloth: This is similar to "Greed". I agree we shouldn't be lazy. We should explore, we should be active, we should try new things. But I disregard the "avoidance of spiritual work" for reasons already explained.

I actually really enjoyed this reply. I'm proud of this... DAMN IT I DID IT AGAIN!:zany:

Is inside out the cartoon where emotions manifest as different beings inside of a little girl?
 
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Those are evils, no doubt, but I notice it's a rather poor list, miserable list, for what it doesn't point out: the sin of lying, being a liar. There is, in fact, a fascinating truth you see in John 8:44, the link between a liar and a murderer, as is Satan, "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

Two things are fascinating, one you can see for yourself, in these true crime documentaries and dramas. I don't recall seeing a malice murderer that was an honest person, that didn't lie before the murder, that didn't lie after the murder, that didn't lie in court, and most continue to lie from prison, the idea of getting an appeal likely impotice to take their deceptions clear to hell, but unrepentant liars do the greatest evils. Secondly, I don't have stats, but, you take the whole of Judeo-Christian scripture, there is, clearly, much more condemnation of liars than murderers, more time spent excoriating liars as being wicked and headed for destruction than any other sin.

So, that liars aren't on the list is a huge hole in it, as if somebody died, before finishing the list, or some liar's list, the devil big on seeding truths with lies or omitting inconvenient truths to his evil, destructive ends, how convenient for lying and liars they don't even make the list of big sinners? Say what? Liars being sinners God complains of most? Notice how all liars, not some liars, are specifically mentioned as not needing to pack a sweater, again, cover to cover condemned in scripture, and this made painfully clear in the end of the Bible, the point made being a liar is, obviously, among as bad as it gets, to Holy God,

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Obviously, lying is very deadly. You need, therefore, at least Eight Deadly Sins. Only seven makes a liar of you...

I believe that they are in addition to the ten commandments. So putting lying in there would be redundant.
 
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A global flood?????

Holy crap, THAT'S what you are going with? Evidence of a global flood????

HA HA HA HA HA HA

Funny how the Chinese missed this global flood.

The flood is very, very close to being proven as far as it could be at our current state. We have been over this before, nit that long ago..

You should pick a new one.
 
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Though I don't think you can divorce the sin discussion from God, as to whether there is moral law, fixed standards, or not. Whether there is any validation of the concept of holiness, or not. God is at the very center of the sin controversy, as to whether or not there is any authority that sin even exists, in a perjorative sense, as opposed to the law being the law of the jungle. Moral relativism, of our times, in fact denies fixed standards, that the only moral law is what somebody deems most expedient, to what they claim a greater purpose, which is often not somebody else's greater purpose, rather often their destruction. So, this can get down to senseless wars, etc. Take God out of the equation, you have the asylum inmates at the helm, which also gives you humanity's stellar history, who'd a thunk, of all those who've defied God and chosen sin. You can't just say we won't talk about God, if you want to talk about sin, as such laws you list are His laws, in the first place.

I do not find this to be true. Usually it is religious people who take this pov in my experience. I find it a bit frightening that some people need a threat of eternal damnation to find morality.
 
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This is why I wanted to separate god from the conversation. Keep a couple things in mind. I am not convinced a god exists. Because of this, I give the bible the same amount of credibility as I would any other old book. So what can you say to me to convince me the 7 deadly sins are something I should abide by? Because if all you're going to present is arguments about god and the bible I'm not going to be convinced.

Try to put yourself in my position.

Because it will inevitably lead you to becoming a better person