The Starr and Mueller investigations: Following the evidence

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Both the Starr and Mueller investigations started with legitimate, serious inquiries to problems but then turned into something else as far as most Americans remember. The Starr investigation is remembered by most people as being about Bill Clinton's adultery and perjury. What most don't seem to remember is that Starr's investigation, the Whitewater investigation, achieved convicting 15 people for over 40 crimes over Whitewater. The whole perjury thing was just law officers following the evidence.

Likewise, the Mueller investigation, which appears to be completing in about half the time of the Starr investigation, has also has achieved several convictions and indictments regarding Russian influencing of the 2016 election. Although the convictions of Americans were mostly for lying to the FBI, the fact remains that there is a lot of fishy stuff going on inside the Trump circle and the question remains why those people lied in the first place. Why? Why would a retired general dishonor himself by lying to the FBI unless there was something seriously wrong?

As Cohen's testimony explained, there are several investigations into Trump's business dealings. His business partners and managers are coming under the strong spotlight of several law enforcement agencies. Like the Starr investigation ended up seeing a President impeached for perjury on a sexual harassment suit, we could easily see the Mueller investigation resulting in a President being impeached for financial abuses in office. Remember that Red Line Trump drew about his finances? It appears there's a reason he was so scared about anyone crossing it. While it's debatable that a sitting President can be indicted for such crimes, there's nothing stopping the prosecution of his children and others involved in his inner circle.

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Ken Starr: 'Eerie Echoes' Between Lewinsky Probe And Mueller Investigation Of Trump
In Contempt, Starr describes the Clintons as "fundamentally dishonest." Asked about Trump's track record of honesty, Starr says he's "not going to opine on the president."

"Let's get all the facts in. I have all the facts in with respect to Bill and Hillary and that's what Contempt is all about," he says. "But I do think that there are echoes. We want our president to be honest, and we especially want the president to be honest under oath.

"We're not talking about the morality of truth telling, we're talking about the rule of law."

Starr writes that Clinton-era Attorney General Janet Reno failed to publicly support his work as independent counsel, but as Inskeep points out, she didn't "publicly trash" his work, as Trump has with Sessions.

"I think it's wrong. The president shouldn't be doing that, and I have condemned it in an op-ed piece in The Washington Post," Starr says.
 
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The Starr investigation was supposed to investigate Whitewater, a real estate deal where the Clintons lost money.
That deal had already been investigated, the special prosecutor Robert Fiske, who had already determined there was no crime, ending the investigation, the GOP appointed Ken Starr, tobacco lawyer, and general lowlife as special prosecutor to use the powers of the special prosecutor for political benefit.
 
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Let's be clear. No matter what Robert Mueller concludes from his investigation into Russian election interference, federal prosecutors in New York pose their own separate danger to the president and his business associates. Jim Jordan is wrong. There WAS NEW NEWS on Wednesday. That NEW NEWS was Cohen's confirmation that HE IS cooperating with various other investigations that are ALL ABOUT TRUMP and TRUMP'S family.
The "witch hunt" will not stop after Mueller's report is filed.
The "witch hunt" will continue for years no matter what Trump decides to do. If he runs and wins, Trump MAY get a reprieve from jail time. He may mount defense after defense, but eventually, the ROLL WILL BE CALLED up yonder and he'll be there.
If Trump decides NOT TO RUN in 2020, he'll face the music THEN.

We know for a fact that Cohen is cooperating with a probe by the U.S. attorney in Manhattan. We know for a fact that Deutsche Bank is cooperating and has or will release Trump's personal and family finances.
This nightmare is not over---not for Trump--not for his family and certainly not for the American people.
So, RWingers---you just keep on keeping on.
YOU just keep shouting "witch hunt"---if that makes you feel better---but the justice system isn't going to stop just because you've coined a catchy phrase that is now being used by other pathetic leaders including Bibi Netanyahu and applause from Russia.
 
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The Starr investigation was supposed to investigate Whitewater, a real estate deal where the Clintons lost money.
That deal had already been investigated, the special prosecutor Robert Fiske, who had already determined there was no crime, ending the investigation, the GOP appointed Ken Starr, tobacco lawyer, and general lowlife as special prosecutor to use the powers of the special prosecutor for political benefit.
Do you think Paula Jones would ever have received justice without it?
 
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Let's be clear. No matter what Robert Mueller concludes from his investigation into Russian election interference, federal prosecutors in New York pose their own separate danger to the president and his business associates. Jim Jordan is wrong. There WAS NEW NEWS on Wednesday. That NEW NEWS was Cohen's confirmation that HE IS cooperating with various other investigations that are ALL ABOUT TRUMP and TRUMP'S family.
The "witch hunt" will not stop after Mueller's report is filed.
The "witch hunt" will continue for years no matter what Trump decides to do. If he runs and wins, Trump MAY get a reprieve from jail time. He may mount defense after defense, but eventually, the ROLL WILL BE CALLED up yonder and he'll be there.
If Trump decides NOT TO RUN in 2020, he'll face the music THEN.

We know for a fact that Cohen is cooperating with a probe by the U.S. attorney in Manhattan. We know for a fact that Deutsche Bank is cooperating and has or will release Trump's personal and family finances.
This nightmare is not over---not for Trump--not for his family and certainly not for the American people.
So, RWingers---you just keep on keeping on.
YOU just keep shouting "witch hunt"---if that makes you feel better---but the justice system isn't going to stop just because you've coined a catchy phrase that is now being used by other pathetic leaders including Bibi Netanyahu and applause from Russia.
SNL had a skit a few weeks ago where Mueller (Robert DeNiro) was the Boogey Man in Eric Trump's closet. Eric says that Mueller is the worst thing to ever happen to his daddy and Mueller replies No, getting elected President was the worst thing to ever happen to his daddy. It was funny because it is true. Being a elected official brings a lot of scrutiny. That's why even mob bosses use patsies to run for mayor, not themselves.

The smartest thing Trump could have done was bail after his first year with a "medical" issue. Now he's not only probably going down but is likely to take most of his children with him. Let's hope he's smart enough to have set aside enough money and legally protected Barron and Melania.
 
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How was Paula Jones "Justice", Clinton asked her for a blowjob, she said no, he said ok.
That's not a crime, that's not harassment.
Your defense of LW sexual harassers is notable. No doubt Harvey Weinstein would love to see you appear as a character witness for him.
 
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I thought so, You got nothin'
If Bill Clinton was completely innocent, why did he pay Jones $850K? Why did he give up his law license and pay in fine? While the Starr investigation didn't find any Whitewater dirt on the Clintons, why did Bill pardon so many Whitewater people?

https://www.cnn.com/2013/02/01/us/bill-clinton-fast-facts/index.html
November 13, 1998 - The President agrees to pay Jones $850,000 to settle her sexual harassment lawsuit.

January 19, 2001 - The day before leaving office, Clinton agrees to give up his Arkansas law license for five years, and to pay a $25,000 fine to the state bar association, ending efforts by the Arkansas Supreme Court Committee on Professional Conduct to disbar him.
January 20, 2001 - Hours before leaving office, Clinton pardons 141 people, including Whitewater figure Susan McDougal and publishing heiress Patty Hearst. The most controversial pardon is that of financier Marc Rich, who had been a fugitive in Switzerland. The president also pardons his brother, Roger Clinton, who had been convicted on a cocaine charge in the 1980s.
 

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