The tipping custom is bs and should be ignored.

Jul 2019
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I gotta go with se7en on this one.

When you enter a Restaurant in the States, you know the wait staff is working for sub-market wages for the opportunity to earn tips. I don't want some grumpy minimum wage Walmart greeter reject bringing me my Tex Mex. I want to see a person who has the energy and grace to smile when they've been on their feet serving people for seven hours.

I'll reward them for their efforts, because that's how you get that effort to be there in the first place..

Se7en, the only thing I don't do, and I don't say you're wrong, is I tip at least 20%, even for poor service and I over-tip that for good service. My reasoning is the server may be new, stressed, or just not on their A-game that day. I have days like that at work, but I always got paid my full wage.
it's got to be straight up shit service to get less than twenty
I'm a pretty understanding and patient person as well
it's only happened a few times, but if you get less than 20% from me, you straight suck at your job
 
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it's got to be straight up shit service to get less than twenty
I'm a pretty understanding and patient person as well
it's only happened a few times, but if you get less than 20% from me, you straight suck at your job
Alright, well in that case better they realize they aren't cut out for it.
 
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It is not only that I find it ridiculous that I should feel obligated to leave an extra 20% on top of the bill just because all the guy or gal did was place a plat on my table, I find it insulting. It argued that waiters and waitresses live off customer tips? So what? No one forced then to get a job that lives of people's charity.

I am perfectly happy to go to a restaurant that states clearly at the door and the menu that a service charge will be added to the bill though. Noting wrong with that.

Tipping is a custom that always guarantees bad service:

1. Discrimination - The waiter will cherry-pick who he thinks or knows is rich or generous and grab them.

2. Bad service - The waiter will spend more time at the table that he thinks will tip more and dash over there as soon as he sees the drink need refilling or a napkin gets dropped while not caring much about the "lesser" tables

3. Dishonesty - If you go to a restaurant and ask the waiter what is good on the menu, instead of telling you what he thinks is good he will promote the more expensive dishes since he knows that he will get a higher percentage tip because of the final price on the bill


Having a service charge is fine since it is honest and upfront. Tipping is hidden, coerced and indirect blackmail.

The best is no tipping custom and customers should be charged whatever the restaurant owner wants. Let it be up to the free-market.them
I whole heartedly agree. Waiters and waitresses should be making $15 an hour for their jobs. They shouldn't have to rely on other peoples charity.
 
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"The waiter will cherry-pick who he thinks or knows is rich or generous and grab them."

Generous, sure. Rich? No. If you actually worked in a service job you'd know that the rich DON'T tip well or at all.
All 3 of your statements reflect how you feel things work, not how they do. You're a lawyer, right?

A guy in a crowd stands up and says "All lawyers are assholes."
Another guy stands up and says, "I resent that"
The first guy says, "Why? Are you a lawyer?"
The second guy says, "No, I'm an asshole."
No, I am not a lawyer but getting married to one.
 

Marcus Livius

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"The waiter will cherry-pick who he thinks or knows is rich or generous and grab them."

Generous, sure. Rich? No. If you actually worked in a service job you'd know that the rich DON'T tip well or at all.
All 3 of your statements reflect how you feel things work, not how they do. You're a lawyer, right?
In my opinion, you and he both are painting with a broad brush. In reality, unless the person is famous, there isn't a good way to tell if a person is rich. I have a client that is on the Forbes list of top 50 richest in the world. He doesn't exactly shop at Goodwill, but he wears everyday clothes that most people can afford to buy at any mall. He drives a 15 year old Honda Civic with bent antenna and cracked headlight cover with various dents and dings. When I first met him, I thought there was no way that he could afford to do what he asked me to quote him on, but I figured I had nothing to lose so I agreed to meet him at his home to size up the situation and give him a proposal. After going through a secured gate, I drove through a VINEYARD and came upon a very very nice house in a nice setting. complete with circular driveway, manicured landscape and white pebbled walkway. I ranged the bell and waited. Knocked and waited, Pounded and waited. Shouted HELLO HELLO and waited. Finally someone came behind and said he worked there and asked me why I was there. Turns out it was the guest house. Got back in car and drove along more grape vines. Came upon a massive building built to look like a pyramid. Couldn't figure out the building and the guy who found me at the first stop drove up and told me it was an observatory. I followed him past more grapes in my car up a windling road and saw a helicopter landing pad, and a massive garage filled with Italian supercars. Finally the house - it was OH MYYYYYY GOD..............I walked through an indoor Olympic sized swimming pool that all the walls and ceilings were made of moveable glass panels that so indoor or outdoor depending on weather. Then I walked through an apple orchid with a glass roof that open and close like a domed stadium. Then I walked up an incline that had a waterfall river with stairs on each side. Then I walked on a reflection pool and arrived at the receiving area which was a room bigger than say two basketball courts and yes, more waterfalls. Keep in mind the whole time all the walls are stainless steel and glass and all are movable panels or sliding doors and the waterfalls are not water features one buy at a water gardening store, we are talking the Niargra of falls. My head was spinning, I had no idea whom I was dealing with except now that I see it was a man of IMMENSE wealth...............or some arch criminal that will kill me if I fail.

Finally, some guy came up to me and said Mr. _____________ is ready to see you. He led me to a room with something like a 30ft ceiling and again with all that glass. He said sit down. A control panel came out for the seat he was sitting in and he turned off the TV and it rose up and disappeared into the ceiling. With the same control panel, he turned the glass from clear to white for privacy. I found out later it was plasma glass. I did get the job and I loved to play with the control panels that turned out to be everywhere once I was told where to look.

He gave me five hundred dollars for showing up. I had asked for no money for "initial consultation". To this day, I still receive a Christmas card and a bonus check - which is really a tip. It used to be $5,000. But it was upped to $8,000 due to COL adjustment. That is a fantastic bonus as I haven't worked for him in 5 years.
 
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Marcus, thank you for your post. I worked in retail for a while and I know what you mean. Of then the most expensively dressed customers were the ones that were just dressed up to go to the mall and that was it. The one who came in when it was pouring rain outside were the one that always biught something because they had to that day.

Shoes are often an indicator of wealth. People who wealth sweats and comfort shoes like Rockport or Clarks in casinos are guys that play big and need to be comfortable.

I forgot to add:

Rudeness - The waiter will try to rush you to eat as fast as possible so he can turn over the table as soon as possible for the next customer. Most people he can serve a night, the more tips.
 
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In my opinion, you and he both are painting with a broad brush. In reality, unless the person is famous, there isn't a good way to tell if a person is rich. I have a client that is on the Forbes list of top 50 richest in the world. He doesn't exactly shop at Goodwill, but he wears everyday clothes that most people can afford to buy at any mall. He drives a 15 year old Honda Civic with bent antenna and cracked headlight cover with various dents and dings. When I first met him, I thought there was no way that he could afford to do what he asked me to quote him on, but I figured I had nothing to lose so I agreed to meet him at his home to size up the situation and give him a proposal. After going through a secured gate, I drove through a VINEYARD and came upon a very very nice house in a nice setting. complete with circular driveway, manicured landscape and white pebbled walkway. I ranged the bell and waited. Knocked and waited, Pounded and waited. Shouted HELLO HELLO and waited. Finally someone came behind and said he worked there and asked me why I was there. Turns out it was the guest house. Got back in car and drove along more grape vines. Came upon a massive building built to look like a pyramid. Couldn't figure out the building and the guy who found me at the first stop drove up and told me it was an observatory. I followed him past more grapes in my car up a windling road and saw a helicopter landing pad, and a massive garage filled with Italian supercars. Finally the house - it was OH MYYYYYY GOD..............I walked through an indoor Olympic sized swimming pool that all the walls and ceilings were made of moveable glass panels that so indoor or outdoor depending on weather. Then I walked through an apple orchid with a glass roof that open and close like a domed stadium. Then I walked up an incline that had a waterfall river with stairs on each side. Then I walked on a reflection pool and arrived at the receiving area which was a room bigger than say two basketball courts and yes, more waterfalls. Keep in mind the whole time all the walls are stainless steel and glass and all are movable panels or sliding doors and the waterfalls are not water features one buy at a water gardening store, we are talking the Niargra of falls. My head was spinning, I had no idea whom I was dealing with except now that I see it was a man of IMMENSE wealth...............or some arch criminal that will kill me if I fail.

Finally, some guy came up to me and said Mr. _____________ is ready to see you. He led me to a room with something like a 30ft ceiling and again with all that glass. He said sit down. A control panel came out for the seat he was sitting in and he turned off the TV and it rose up and disappeared into the ceiling. With the same control panel, he turned the glass from clear to white for privacy. I found out later it was plasma glass. I did get the job and I loved to play with the control panels that turned out to be everywhere once I was told where to look.

He gave me five hundred dollars for showing up. I had asked for no money for "initial consultation". To this day, I still receive a Christmas card and a bonus check - which is really a tip. It used to be $5,000. But it was upped to $8,000 due to COL adjustment. That is a fantastic bonus as I haven't worked for him in 5 years.
I'm glad you had that experience. My opinion was based on mine. There are always exceptions.
 
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It's just straight up trashy and contemptible not to tip.

And there are two facts about non-tippers: either they (a) never eat the same place twice, or (b) they enjoy eating other people's spit and assorted garbage in the food they're served.
Non-tippers are remembered.