The uniqueness of Christ

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The gospel of Mark was the earliest of the gospel account written in around 66-70 AD. Christ died on the cross around 33 AD.

So the author of Mark could very well have been an eye witness of those events.
Saying it’s “possible” the author of Mark was an eyewitness is a HUGE difference from saying we have eyewitness accounts.
 
Nov 2012
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It seems to me that people would very carefully have remembered the sayings of Jesus, because people had much better memories back then. They also took up stories they thought ought to be true, like the wise men from the East, Bethlehem and whatever. I think anyone who supposes Jesus was made up is a conspiracy theorist to end conspiracy theorists, but since everyone back then thought in terms of gods and spirits, it's important to - so to speak - do an intellectual translation job. Do we worship Socrates's daemon? I'm more interested in what he meant, and as a socialist and a democrat I find Jesus hugely more acceptable.
 
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If you want proof, take a math course.

If you want evidence, look to other sources like the writings of Josephus.

What Did the Jewish Historian Josephus Really Say About Jesus? - Jonathan Morrow

Most historians would agree that Jesus probably existed, but you are free to believe what you wish.
Josephus wasn't even born until over 30 years after the crucifixion of Jesus. It's evidence of Jesus but not proof. OTOH, I have no doubt Jesus existed due to the impact he had on Judea and the region. A belief system grew, pushed along by Paul, another Johnny-come-lately. He was also wrote most of the books in the New Testament....a Christian who never met Christ.
 
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Here's part of the problem. People are so wrapped up in the "GOD" argument (is there or isn't there) that the uniqueness of Jesus gets lost in the argument.
The centerpiece of the Jesus 'movement' was unique because he preached the unconventional wisdom of the day. He was the opposite-guy---the guy who said stuff nobody else said, particularly the leaders of that era. When everyone else said "hate, retribution, violence, greed", Jesus said "love, forgive, be kind and practice generosity". What's up with this dope??

Kinda reminds me of the folks that said "the earth is round--not flat" and other crazy stuff.
The irony is that the very same people who NOW follow Jesus (claim to be Christian) are the very same people who discard unconventional wisdom today. Climate change is man-made and other crazy ideas.
 
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I see, so what Christ said was cherry picked but not Buddha.

What makes you say that?

The fact that people wrote about him provides greater veracity to who he was.

That is the power of eye witness accounts.
It is less likely that Buddha's word's were cherry picked since he actively dissuaded people from looking at him as a divine figurehead of any kind. The attribution of divinity that is commonly given took place after Buddha's death if I am remembering my history correctly.
 
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Here's part of the problem. People are so wrapped up in the "GOD" argument (is there or isn't there) that the uniqueness of Jesus gets lost in the argument.
The centerpiece of the Jesus 'movement' was unique because he preached the unconventional wisdom of the day. He was the opposite-guy---the guy who said stuff nobody else said, particularly the leaders of that era. When everyone else said "hate, retribution, violence, greed", Jesus said "love, forgive, be kind and practice generosity". What's up with this dope??

Kinda reminds me of the folks that said "the earth is round--not flat" and other crazy stuff.
The irony is that the very same people who NOW follow Jesus (claim to be Christian) are the very same people who discard unconventional wisdom today. Climate change is man-made and other crazy ideas.
Agreed. Also note that those same people talk the talk but don't walk the walk. They spread hate, not love. Condemnation, not forgiveness. Division, not unity. All of which were central messages of Jesus.
 
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Here's part of the problem. People are so wrapped up in the "GOD" argument (is there or isn't there) that the uniqueness of Jesus gets lost in the argument.
The centerpiece of the Jesus 'movement' was unique because he preached the unconventional wisdom of the day. He was the opposite-guy---the guy who said stuff nobody else said, particularly the leaders of that era. When everyone else said "hate, retribution, violence, greed", Jesus said "love, forgive, be kind and practice generosity". What's up with this dope??

Kinda reminds me of the folks that said "the earth is round--not flat" and other crazy stuff.
The irony is that the very same people who NOW follow Jesus (claim to be Christian) are the very same people who discard unconventional wisdom today. Climate change is man-made and other crazy ideas.
That is very well put.
 
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Josephus wasn't even born until over 30 years after the crucifixion of Jesus. It's evidence of Jesus but not proof. OTOH, I have no doubt Jesus existed due to the impact he had on Judea and the region. A belief system grew, pushed along by Paul, another Johnny-come-lately. He was also wrote most of the books in the New Testament....a Christian who never met Christ.
Oh no, he met Christ, on the road to Damascus.

Paul's testimony is even more powerful than the 12 disciples because he started the persecution of the church until he encountered Christ in a vision

He then did a 180 the other way and became one of them
 
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Here's part of the problem. People are so wrapped up in the "GOD" argument (is there or isn't there) that the uniqueness of Jesus gets lost in the argument.
The centerpiece of the Jesus 'movement' was unique because he preached the unconventional wisdom of the day. He was the opposite-guy---the guy who said stuff nobody else said, particularly the leaders of that era. When everyone else said "hate, retribution, violence, greed", Jesus said "love, forgive, be kind and practice generosity". What's up with this dope??

Kinda reminds me of the folks that said "the earth is round--not flat" and other crazy stuff.
The irony is that the very same people who NOW follow Jesus (claim to be Christian) are the very same people who discard unconventional wisdom today. Climate change is man-made and other crazy ideas.
Nope, all of these things were said before Jesus.

How about Socrates?

How about the teaching of Jesus not to render evil for evil? Socrates said, "One should never do wrong in return, nor mistreat any man, no matter how one has been mistreated by him"

There are a whole list of sayings by Socrates that sound exactly like Jesus.

"I was afraid that by observing object with my eyes and trying to comprehend them with each of my other senses I might blind my soul altogether?"

"We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light"

"My plainness of speech makes them hate me, and what is their hatred but a proof that I am speaking the truth"

"A man who really fights for justice must lead a private life, not a public life, if he is to survive for even a short time"

This last quote got me to laughing because both Jesus and Socrates were murdered for their telling the truth.

Funny thing is, I hear people question the existence of even Socrates. Could it be that the teachings of both Christ and Socrates are so far removed from the common man and his sin nature that they find it unbelievable that there could be those who broke free from it?

But alas, Socrates was no Jesus. Not even close.
 
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Oh no, he met Christ, on the road to Damascus.

Paul's testimony is even more powerful than the 12 disciples because he started the persecution of the church until he encountered Christ in a vision

He then did a 180 the other way and became one of them
He had a vision....or maybe too much ergot in the barley.

Disagreed. Most of what Paul wrote was contrary to the messages of Jesus.
 

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