Trump and Barr turning Mueller Report into an Easter egg hunt

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I do agree with your perception. Forwarded to the spot where he says it.

Yes he did say it because There was spying on the Trump Campaign by the Obama Administration. Now the question is how far up the ladder was it known..

I think the Democrat are shitting themselves because the tables have turned, the IG (Obama Appointed) has already sent criminal referrals on McCabe for this very thing.

And unlike the Trump crap this ISN'T fake news.

Andrew McCabe criminal referral sent to U.S. Attorney
 
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I don't know how important that enmity is, but if Vlad..the former KGB chief who took over the disaster left by Yeltsin is as shrewd as so many on every side believe, then I expect that he would have been able to size up Donald Trump very early on also. He would likely have determined that both of these actors were essentially incompetent (Donald...by a quick scan of his bankruptcies, inattention to detail and impulsive narcissistic drives/Hillary for...all of the stupid moves she and her followers like Susan Rice pushed through at the State Dept. especially the Libyan Air War that Obama's top policy advisers were against). If Putin understands how the US Government functions (and he likely does much better than the US understands Russia or any other foreign state), then he knows that US presidents are captive to their top advisers on most things except for a few pet projects that they want to get done and leave as their Legacy.

My contention is that Russia has about 1/10th the economic and military power as the US, and has to use Russia's economic, political and especially military influence carefully and wisely....certainly not in the way that a vainglorious clown like Trump is carrying on with!

Yeah, I was about to get into that! Russia (and China also) is upgrading its weapons systems in the smart/not stupid way like Washington has been doing for many decades now, ever since it has been held captive by the major weapons makers. Donald Rumsfeld may not have been good for anything else, but the reason why he was one of the few top advisers fired out the door in Bush 2's first term in office was because he started demanding audits and proper systems analysis of all the expensive crap that the DOD was expected to purchase...including next generation stealth fighter jets and even new aircraft carriers. Put it this way, you won't find out how good these F-35's, Patriot missile systems or the risks of new carriers being added are until the US is engaged in a real shooting war with a real enemy capable of destroying them! Off the top, if the Patriot anti-missile missiles were any good, why would Turkey be risking getting turfed out of NATO by buying Russia's new S-400 anti-missile system? The F-35's...which seem to crash on a regular basis and still aren't fully ready for service, have been described by one negative air force general as "a collection of spare parts that we try to keep air-worthy." And the giant Navy that rules the world's oceans like the British Navy of the 19th century, has accumulated many skeptics for years because giant aircraft carriers and their entourage of support craft are big floating targets for new generation high speed anti-ship missiles, that even the Iranians have been designing and building in the past 20 years. The British found out with the sinking of the Sheffield during the 1979 Falklands War with Argentina, that all it takes is one hit, and the ship and all of its contents ends up sinking to the bottom of the ocean! So, most of the expert pundits I've come across for a number of years have said that missile technology provides more bang for the buck than ships, planes and tanks, and will make invasions and sieges by aggressive empires imposing their will by force harder to carry out in the coming years.

And, along with "flexing" military muscle, the US has made it possible for Russia to become an arms merchant also and get into the lucrative weapons supplying business themselves to the many nations who are getting sick of US/NATO threats against them!


Does Russia = Putin or Putin = Russia? Anyway, I have no doubt that one key aspect of Putin's success in holding on to power and maintaining declining/but still majority support in Russia is because most Russians are aware of the NATO encroachment on their borders...that was never supposed to happen back when Yeltsin made his deals with Bush One and Clinton. As well, they have proof that there has been a US..by way of the CIA - hand in rise of Islamist Al Qaeda affiliated separatist militias in the Southern Caucuses autonomous zones and neighboring former Soviet republics next to Afghanistan. A lot of Russians would like a better option than the kind of corporate governance that is just a smaller version of what's happening in the west, and hasn't improved economic conditions for average working Russians. But, all Vlad has to do is remind the people during the election season of their foreign threats and few voters are willing to risk damaging a system that at least keeps them safe, by ending up with a different government that would be unstable and unable to keep the country together.
Yeltsin's disaster: Oil price July 1991 $40.45/bbl; Nov. 1998 $17.39/bbl

Vlad's shrewdness was riding oil prices from ~$28/bbl. to almost $150/bbl., having $80+/bbl. oil for 8+ years.

Vlad absolutely sized up Trump, and he's been using him ever since. It's important to note, because he could use Trump, he absolutely favored him for president.

Russia doesn't have a large GDP - smaller than Italy's - or military budget, but they get a little more bang for their bucks, I mean rubles. And I agree with you on US weapons systems, though the Patriot has several superior replacement systems, and the F-35 is coming along awesomely. Read: F-35: What The Pilots Say | Military Aviation | Air & Space Magazine It is the most advanced fighter in the world in terms of situational awareness, the ability to fly unseen. It's quite expensive, true, but it is that much better than any fourth or 4.5-generation fighter out there.

The Israeli Air Force is flying F-35s. That should tell ya something.

The Navy's carrier task forces are a joke, big targets. The US is enabling Russian and Chinese arms merchants? Great. Most of it is inferior stuff.

Putin holds onto power in Russia because he's a ruthless son of a bitch, and he keeps all his criminal f**k oligarch friends happy ... oh, and as long as he has any serious challenger murdered in the shadow of the Kremlin. Yep, Russia citizens are rather paranoid, but not petrified despite Putin's best efforts. In anything short of a nuclear exchange, Russia would roll right through NATO.

In Russia, as in Ukraine, the hope for the people rests with the young, but both countries are near-hopelessly corrupt, because the societies themselves tolerate corruption on the most mundane levels.
 
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Yeltsin's disaster: Oil price July 1991 $40.45/bbl; Nov. 1998 $17.39/bbl

Vlad's shrewdness was riding oil prices from ~$28/bbl. to almost $150/bbl., having $80+/bbl. oil for 8+ years.
So, you're saying that Yeltsin's (and the western-advised neoliberal disaster was just because of low oil prices in the 90's, while Putin's success was just because oil prices peaked again? Like it had nothing to do with Yeltsin being a drunken megalomaniac himself, who pushed through a plan to break up the Soviet Union possibly only because he was already Chief of the Russian Supreme Soviet, and taking over as Soviet Union leader was out of reach because he had already burned his bridges with the Union by resigning from the Politburo and his only option was to risk the charges of treason by pulling of the Union, the declining Gorbachev's friend - foreign minister - Edward Schevardnadze (of Armenia Republic) had too much popular support across the Soviet Union as a long time campaigner against corruption and promoter of bottom up/rather than top down control of the economy.

I recall at the time that our news reports by the 'Soviet specialists' believed that Schevardnadze was maneuvering in place to head off a takeover by a hardliner (forget the name) who had been calling for an end to street protests and demonstrations, even threatening to call out the Red Army and fill the prisons with demonstrators. Anyway, that's when Yeltsin made his move! It was portrayed as a brave act by a selfless promoter of freedom over here, but it looked like little more than a cold, calculated political maneuver done without any regard for what the overall consequences would be for everyone else! No surprise that the power establishment in Washington was cheering Yeltsin and these developments.

As for Putin.....I doubt that he saw future president of Russia in the cards for him when he took the offer to join the Yeltsin Government. He was a career apparatchik, and would be more similar to guys like Robert Mueller, Comey or Bill Barr now...who see their career trajectories in picking the right boss to get on the good side of, and using them as a ride to the top of the administrative pyramid! But, when the opportunity to take the lead appeared in the chaos left by Yeltsin, he took it! And there was nobody else close to power who inspired any confidence! At first, it seems the CIA and US political establishment thought that Putin would be 'their man in Moscow' just like Yeltsin! But, he was not about to take orders from American economic policy advisers who caused death and hardship for so many Russians and Soviets as well. Especially the elderly! If you followed all this as closely as you claim, then you know very well what I have been told by so many who emigrated from the USSR and Eastern Europe during the anarchy of 'restructuring' the economy: it was looted by Yeltsin's friends and a few other top Communist Party officials who seized their chance to buy up valuable real estate, industries and state enterprizes for firesale prices...sent most of the money offshore to western foreign banks, and worked in partnership with those foreign banks who were providing the loans. Yeltsin's worst move as President so I've been told was to literally dissolve the government pension system; which ended up causing death and misery for millions of elderly Russians who had retired at 60 and found their pensions completely cut off! As some Russian emigres tell it, who were old enough to be aware of what was going on at the time, the only reason why more people didn't die was because of the "soviets" - the local councils that organized political and economic activity at the local level continued on after the official party was dissolved and continued organizing people so that children and the elderly could have food and heating oil in the winter time. If Russia had been capitalist all along -- like America, half the country would have been dead before things improved, if there was no tradition for cooperation and sharing. A similar collapse again would be worse....in Russia and here in the west!


Vlad absolutely sized up Trump, and he's been using him ever since. It's important to note, because he could use Trump, he absolutely favored him for president.
We've been over it so many times that the US has not only interfered in Russian elections...at least in the past, but were even such brazen assholes that they allowed Time Magazine access to what was obviously classified information - to get a scoop on how the CIA and State Dept. plus a few handpicked media and election experts secured Boris Yeltsin's re-election at a time when his popular support was in the low single digits! But the US interferes with almost every nation's elections in the world....even in Canada, Australia, all across Latin America and everywhere else, and that begs the question: what fucking right does any American government have to complain about another country interfering in their elections?

Be that as it may, what's been offered up so far on "Russian Collusion with Trump is a flimsy, almost laughable case, and likely would not have been run up the flagpole if it wasn't a convenient tactic to: further expand hostilities with Russia and reinvigorate the New Cold War; absolve an irreparably corrupt Democratic leadership of their own failure; and divert attention from the only collusion and election interference with a foreign power that's proveable right now: With the Israeli Government!

Russia doesn't have a large GDP - smaller than Italy's - or military budget, but they get a little more bang for their bucks, I mean rubles. And I agree with you on US weapons systems, though the Patriot has several superior replacement systems, and the F-35 is coming along awesomely. Read: F-35: What The Pilots Say | Military Aviation | Air & Space Magazine It is the most advanced fighter in the world in terms of situational awareness, the ability to fly unseen. It's quite expensive, true, but it is that much better than any fourth or 4.5-generation fighter out there.
Consider the amount of money the US Government has pumped into these F-35's! It's a huge industry that a lot of people make money off of whether it works or not!
And we'll see how well it works whenever there is an actual military threat to challenge it. Note how sparingly the US Air Force has used F-22 stealth fighters: because of their high costs, bugs and limited maneuverability of stealth design fighters. And take Air and Space with a grain of salt! They're job is to blow sunshine up the asses of Northrop, Lockheed and Boeing - they're hired cheerleaders!

As of 2017, there was more than $100 billion sunk into the F-35 program, and the delays and alterations should tell us that it was a bad design to begin with. And one of the big design complaints has been that 'it's big and bulky because it has to hide its weapons inside to limit radar detection.' But the limited performance (as is the case with other stealth fighters and bombers) should have meant that this was another niche weapon and not the all-purpose fighter jet that could do everything! That only shows how much Lockheed Martin wanted to emphasize sales and was less concerned about quality, AND unfortunately had every politician and DOD official bought off and unwilling to criticize the program!
What went wrong with the F-35, Lockheed Martin’s Joint Strike Fighter?
June 13, 2017 10.22pm EDT

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Like I said before, Rumsfeld may have been a warmongering bastard! But that's not what ended his political career! He seems to have been the last Defense Secretary who wasn't willing to just take crap from the multibillion dollar contractors or their bought off operatives in Washington!
The Israeli Air Force is flying F-35s. That should tell ya something.
It tells me that Israel gets so much money from the US Government, that their "purchases" are essentially free! Let's see if they replace all their planes with the F-35.........then, we'll know!
The Navy's carrier task forces are a joke, big targets.
And yet, they keep building more! Considering that even China has stealth subs that are difficult to detect, and naval experts have been trying to warn about the threat posed by more sophisticated, longer range anti-ship missiles for years, why are they building even more carriers, destroyers and missile launchers? Except that a lot more money can be made by putting together a carrier fleet than making a few missiles that could make them all sink to the bottom of the ocean!
The US is enabling Russian and Chinese arms merchants? Great. Most of it is inferior stuff.
Look up what the insiders who feed information to the public, like the Rand Corporation have to say about Russia's new S-400 missile systems radar-targeting range and faster anti-aircraft missiles and the S-500's that are still in the development stage right now! I'm sure that's one of the big reasons why the Trump Admin is talking economic sanctions and kicking Turkey out of NATO if they go through with the purchases of the new S-400's. Why didn't they just get Patriot missiles if they were actually just as good? Odds are that the Russian military establishment has been focusing their efforts to get more bang for the buck and concentrate on missile technology/rather than waste billions on aircraft carriers and such!
 
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Which were those? Can you give us a list?
Latest info declares a net worth of $40 million...safe to say, that's not all from saving up his money from presidential salary, but far short of Nancy Pelosi...who a lot of people are asking: has Nancy Pelosi ever been audited?" How is she worth over $100 million when she's been a career politician and has just been sitting in the House since....forever!
Obama has collected millions in big money donations for the Obama Foundation...which is now an expected presidential slush fund where kickbacks can be laundered as charitable contributions. The Obama Foundation was created supposedly for the purpose of building that other expected presidential slush fund after leaving office...the Obama Presidential Library. Oh's has caused some controversy for making this part of a real estate development that is further gentrifying old urban neighborhoods where many residents are renters who are forced out as real estate values suddenly rise and developers come in offering big money to bulldoze everything for new real estate. And in the case, the Obama Foundation has offered nothing to help tenants in the area with affordable housing.

Hypocrisy and greed are on all sides, but if you middle-roaders are wondering why there are so many angry leftists demanding more from Democratic Party leaders, it's because they have effectively monopolized the left side of the political spectrum, making it impossible for anyone else to get in, while doing nothing for their voter base who are falling behind economically. And they are experiencing something that on the surface, looks surprisingly similar to what happened to the Republican Party when tea party activists started banging on their doors and threatening to primary them out of existence, consequences be damned!

But, Oh is still taking his money and running around 'building his legacy' adding to his foundation donors' list and making $400,000 speeches. And I expect that he's not interested in becoming a billionaire himself and challenging for the lead in the Forbes 100. Because of his position and the important friends he's made from his political service, he like the Clintons and many other former statesmen will get to rub elbows with the rulers of the world who meet at the Davos and other international conferences, where the plutocrats argue about how to best preserve the system and their control of most of the world. He'll have membership on the Atlantic Council or the Trilateral Commission some time in the near future!
 
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So, you're saying that Yeltsin's (and the western-advised neoliberal disaster was just because of low oil prices in the 90's, while Putin's success was just because oil prices peaked again? Like it had nothing to do with Yeltsin being a drunken megalomaniac himself, who pushed through a plan to break up the Soviet Union possibly only because he was already Chief of the Russian Supreme Soviet, and taking over as Soviet Union leader was out of reach because he had already burned his bridges with the Union by resigning from the Politburo and his only option was to risk the charges of treason by pulling of the Union, the declining Gorbachev's friend - foreign minister - Edward Schevardnadze (of Armenia Republic) had too much popular support across the Soviet Union as a long time campaigner against corruption and promoter of bottom up/rather than top down control of the economy.

I recall at the time that our news reports by the 'Soviet specialists' believed that Schevardnadze was maneuvering in place to head off a takeover by a hardliner (forget the name) who had been calling for an end to street protests and demonstrations, even threatening to call out the Red Army and fill the prisons with demonstrators. Anyway, that's when Yeltsin made his move! It was portrayed as a brave act by a selfless promoter of freedom over here, but it looked like little more than a cold, calculated political maneuver done without any regard for what the overall consequences would be for everyone else! No surprise that the power establishment in Washington was cheering Yeltsin and these developments.

As for Putin.....I doubt that he saw future president of Russia in the cards for him when he took the offer to join the Yeltsin Government. He was a career apparatchik, and would be more similar to guys like Robert Mueller, Comey or Bill Barr now...who see their career trajectories in picking the right boss to get on the good side of, and using them as a ride to the top of the administrative pyramid! But, when the opportunity to take the lead appeared in the chaos left by Yeltsin, he took it! And there was nobody else close to power who inspired any confidence! At first, it seems the CIA and US political establishment thought that Putin would be 'their man in Moscow' just like Yeltsin! But, he was not about to take orders from American economic policy advisers who caused death and hardship for so many Russians and Soviets as well. Especially the elderly! If you followed all this as closely as you claim, then you know very well what I have been told by so many who emigrated from the USSR and Eastern Europe during the anarchy of 'restructuring' the economy: it was looted by Yeltsin's friends and a few other top Communist Party officials who seized their chance to buy up valuable real estate, industries and state enterprizes for firesale prices...sent most of the money offshore to western foreign banks, and worked in partnership with those foreign banks who were providing the loans. Yeltsin's worst move as President so I've been told was to literally dissolve the government pension system; which ended up causing death and misery for millions of elderly Russians who had retired at 60 and found their pensions completely cut off! As some Russian emigres tell it, who were old enough to be aware of what was going on at the time, the only reason why more people didn't die was because of the "soviets" - the local councils that organized political and economic activity at the local level continued on after the official party was dissolved and continued organizing people so that children and the elderly could have food and heating oil in the winter time. If Russia had been capitalist all along -- like America, half the country would have been dead before things improved, if there was no tradition for cooperation and sharing. A similar collapse again would be worse....in Russia and here in the west!




We've been over it so many times that the US has not only interfered in Russian elections...at least in the past, but were even such brazen assholes that they allowed Time Magazine access to what was obviously classified information - to get a scoop on how the CIA and State Dept. plus a few handpicked media and election experts secured Boris Yeltsin's re-election at a time when his popular support was in the low single digits! But the US interferes with almost every nation's elections in the world....even in Canada, Australia, all across Latin America and everywhere else, and that begs the question: what fucking right does any American government have to complain about another country interfering in their elections?

Be that as it may, what's been offered up so far on "Russian Collusion with Trump is a flimsy, almost laughable case, and likely would not have been run up the flagpole if it wasn't a convenient tactic to: further expand hostilities with Russia and reinvigorate the New Cold War; absolve an irreparably corrupt Democratic leadership of their own failure; and divert attention from the only collusion and election interference with a foreign power that's proveable right now: With the Israeli Government!


Consider the amount of money the US Government has pumped into these F-35's! It's a huge industry that a lot of people make money off of whether it works or not!
And we'll see how well it works whenever there is an actual military threat to challenge it. Note how sparingly the US Air Force has used F-22 stealth fighters: because of their high costs, bugs and limited maneuverability of stealth design fighters. And take Air and Space with a grain of salt! They're job is to blow sunshine up the asses of Northrop, Lockheed and Boeing - they're hired cheerleaders!

As of 2017, there was more than $100 billion sunk into the F-35 program, and the delays and alterations should tell us that it was a bad design to begin with. And one of the big design complaints has been that 'it's big and bulky because it has to hide its weapons inside to limit radar detection.' But the limited performance (as is the case with other stealth fighters and bombers) should have meant that this was another niche weapon and not the all-purpose fighter jet that could do everything! That only shows how much Lockheed Martin wanted to emphasize sales and was less concerned about quality, AND unfortunately had every politician and DOD official bought off and unwilling to criticize the program!
What went wrong with the F-35, Lockheed Martin’s Joint Strike Fighter?
June 13, 2017 10.22pm EDT

...............................................................................................................................................................................​

Like I said before, Rumsfeld may have been a warmongering bastard! But that's not what ended his political career! He seems to have been the last Defense Secretary who wasn't willing to just take crap from the multibillion dollar contractors or their bought off operatives in Washington!

It tells me that Israel gets so much money from the US Government, that their "purchases" are essentially free! Let's see if they replace all their planes with the F-35.........then, we'll know!

And yet, they keep building more! Considering that even China has stealth subs that are difficult to detect, and naval experts have been trying to warn about the threat posed by more sophisticated, longer range anti-ship missiles for years, why are they building even more carriers, destroyers and missile launchers? Except that a lot more money can be made by putting together a carrier fleet than making a few missiles that could make them all sink to the bottom of the ocean!

Look up what the insiders who feed information to the public, like the Rand Corporation have to say about Russia's new S-400 missile systems radar-targeting range and faster anti-aircraft missiles and the S-500's that are still in the development stage right now! I'm sure that's one of the big reasons why the Trump Admin is talking economic sanctions and kicking Turkey out of NATO if they go through with the purchases of the new S-400's. Why didn't they just get Patriot missiles if they were actually just as good? Odds are that the Russian military establishment has been focusing their efforts to get more bang for the buck and concentrate on missile technology/rather than waste billions on aircraft carriers and such!
You could have saved yourself some time. I won't read past your assumtion:

So, you're saying that Yeltsin's (and the western-advised neoliberal disaster was just because of low oil prices in the 90's, while Putin's success was just because oil prices peaked again?'

You're welcome to re-read my post and pull out from it to bolster that false conclusion.

When the Iron Curtain fell all the Russian criminal elements that had been sorta of kept in check during the Cold War suddenly faced a weak central government. They preyed on the ordinary Russians, as they still do. Being a bandit was step one to becoming a member of Russia's respectable oligarch class.

The inflation of the 90s turned ordinary people's lives upside down, but the hyperinflation hardly can be laid exclusively on Yeltsin or his policies. Low prices for oil, Russia's primary export by far, hurt Russia in the 80s and 90s. Hurt it badly.

The loss of savings, pensions especially, cause great hurt. Russian citizens have had a tough last 100 years of governments to deal with.

So, in conclusion, I'm not saying that Yeltsin's (and the western-advised neoliberal disaster was just because of low oil prices in the 90's, while Putin's success was just because oil prices peaked again, but oil prices are a huge part of the puzzle.