Trump Is A Symptom Of A Larger Problem

Dec 2016
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Canada
#36
Dr. House also became a drug addict, and mentally insecure Kind of like what happens when right wingers try to prove the economy is improving because of anything Trump has done.

Black unemployment is rising again, undermining a Trump boast on economic growth
Time for another reality check for the benefit of Democratic Party propagandists, who are just warming up now that it's less than a year and a half before the next Election Day!

The problem with living in an extremely limited...fraudulent version of a democracy is your damn Democrats...starting with Obama were lying about the state of the economy also! Obama may have been the greatest contributor to sinking the fortunes of Hillary Clinton in 2019, back when he declared in a puff piece interview with friendly media wags: "Things Are Pretty Great In America Today." Well that pretty much was the kiss goodbye for many struggling, working class Americans to bother giving a crap about electing his successor to govern the nation!


25% OF AMERICANS ARE “WORSE OFF” THAN THEY WERE BEFORE THE GREAT RECESSION

For many, the economic recovery being touted by the mainstream media has not yet affected them. About 25% of Americans say that a decade after the housing bust that caused the Great Recession, they are doing worse. Almost half of Americans are not doing any better at all too.​
If you believe the mainstream media, the economy is robust and the unemployment rate is at a 49-year-low. But not all Americans have recovered from the Great Recession. According to a new survey from Bankrate of about 3,000 Americans, 23% of people who were adults when the recession started in December 2007 say they are now financially worse off than they were before the recession hit. That percentage amounts to just under 50 million Americans. Another 25% say they are doing the “same.” In all, just over half believe their “overall finances” are better than before.​
“Americans were and continue to be in a degree of denial of the financial crisis and Great Recession,” said Mark Hamrick, Bankrate’s senior economic analyst according to a report by Yahoo Finance. “One of the constant themes that presents itself in the data is that Americans are still digging out in many ways from that experience.”​
“While some have managed to prosper in the decade since, there are still tens of millions who are struggling to even get back to where they were before the economy took a turn for the worse,” added Hamrick. Could that mean that the economy is not all that robust? We certainly think so. But speaking the truth is a revolutionary act in times of deceit.​
When asked about their salaries, less than half of the respondents said their wages were better than before, while more than a third say that it is worse. But if you’re a millennial (29-38) you’re in luck: Only 16% of this demographic who were adults during the Great Recession say their pay is worse now. That’s compared to 26% of baby boomers (aged 55-73). “If you take this data at face value — where less than half of the adult population say that their pay is better — and most indicate it is not better, that tells you enough and raises enough of a question about the true improvement that Americans have experienced,” Hamrick said.​
But some have been questioning this economy for a while now. It is heavilymanipulated by the Federal Reserve and the government is doing nothing to prevent the devaluation of the dollar or inflation. For this reason, we have taken to suggesting financial preparation as incredibly important to consider at this time. Storing food and water will always be good ideas, however, we should take the time to get our finances straightened out as well. There are several ways to go about it, but an easy to follow plan is Dave Ramsey’s “baby steps.” He suggests paying down your debts and has often said he “hates debt more than anyone.” For this reason, we have taken to suggesting financial preparation as incredibly important to consider at this time. Storing food and water will always be good ideas, however, we should take the time to get our finances straightened out as well. There are several ways to go about it, but an easy to follow plan is Dave Ramsey’s “baby steps.” He suggests paying down your debts and has often said he “hates debt more than anyone.”​
Now, aren't you glad the Big Oh decided to bail out Wall Street investment banks instead of average homeowners, foreclosed after being gifted with fraudulent mortgage terms? The ripple effects destroyed home equity in entire cities, making it easy for monied interests to swoop in...torch any adjacent empty buildings, and bulldoze entire neighborhoods in the interests of gentrification.

So don't pretend all the shit started on J-20 when you went out marching with your pink pussy hat on! Right now, the centrist Dems...including the majority of Dem apologists on this forum, want a nice moderate candidate like Liz Warren...who will campaign on pledges she just made up with her staff in the last few weeks and will likely toss overboard if elected and go back to her default setting: a Zio-con warhawk who won't criticize any wars or military spending, and just want some half-baked 'reformed' capitalism for domestic policy. Setting the table for next surge to the right at the end of four years.
 
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Jun 2018
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La Pine, Oregon
#37
Time for another reality check for the benefit of Democratic Party propagandists, who are just warming up now that it's less than a year and a half before the next Election Day!

The problem with living in an extremely limited...fraudulent version of a democracy is your damn Democrats...starting with Obama were lying about the state of the economy also! Obama may have been the greatest contributor to sinking the fortunes of Hillary Clinton in 2019, back when he declared in a puff piece interview with friendly media wags: "Things Are Pretty Great In America Today." Well that pretty much was the kiss goodbye for many struggling, working class Americans to bother giving a crap about electing his successor to govern the nation!


25% OF AMERICANS ARE “WORSE OFF” THAN THEY WERE BEFORE THE GREAT RECESSION

For many, the economic recovery being touted by the mainstream media has not yet affected them. About 25% of Americans say that a decade after the housing bust that caused the Great Recession, they are doing worse. Almost half of Americans are not doing any better at all too.​
If you believe the mainstream media, the economy is robust and the unemployment rate is at a 49-year-low. But not all Americans have recovered from the Great Recession. According to a new survey from Bankrate of about 3,000 Americans, 23% of people who were adults when the recession started in December 2007 say they are now financially worse off than they were before the recession hit. That percentage amounts to just under 50 million Americans. Another 25% say they are doing the “same.” In all, just over half believe their “overall finances” are better than before.​
“Americans were and continue to be in a degree of denial of the financial crisis and Great Recession,” said Mark Hamrick, Bankrate’s senior economic analyst according to a report by Yahoo Finance. “One of the constant themes that presents itself in the data is that Americans are still digging out in many ways from that experience.”​
“While some have managed to prosper in the decade since, there are still tens of millions who are struggling to even get back to where they were before the economy took a turn for the worse,” added Hamrick. Could that mean that the economy is not all that robust? We certainly think so. But speaking the truth is a revolutionary act in times of deceit.​
When asked about their salaries, less than half of the respondents said their wages were better than before, while more than a third say that it is worse. But if you’re a millennial (29-38) you’re in luck: Only 16% of this demographic who were adults during the Great Recession say their pay is worse now. That’s compared to 26% of baby boomers (aged 55-73). “If you take this data at face value — where less than half of the adult population say that their pay is better — and most indicate it is not better, that tells you enough and raises enough of a question about the true improvement that Americans have experienced,” Hamrick said.​
But some have been questioning this economy for a while now. It is heavilymanipulated by the Federal Reserve and the government is doing nothing to prevent the devaluation of the dollar or inflation. For this reason, we have taken to suggesting financial preparation as incredibly important to consider at this time. Storing food and water will always be good ideas, however, we should take the time to get our finances straightened out as well. There are several ways to go about it, but an easy to follow plan is Dave Ramsey’s “baby steps.” He suggests paying down your debts and has often said he “hates debt more than anyone.” For this reason, we have taken to suggesting financial preparation as incredibly important to consider at this time. Storing food and water will always be good ideas, however, we should take the time to get our finances straightened out as well. There are several ways to go about it, but an easy to follow plan is Dave Ramsey’s “baby steps.” He suggests paying down your debts and has often said he “hates debt more than anyone.”​
Now, aren't you glad the Big Oh decided to bail out Wall Street investment banks instead of average homeowners, foreclosed after being gifted with fraudulent mortgage terms? The ripple effects destroyed home equity in entire cities, making it easy for monied interests to swoop in...torch any adjacent empty buildings, and bulldoze entire neighborhoods in the interests of gentrification.

So don't pretend all the shit started on J-20 when you went out marching with your pink pussy hat on! Right now, the centrist Dems...including the majority of Dem apologists on this forum, want a nice moderate candidate like Liz Warren...who will campaign on pledges she just made up with her staff in the last few weeks and will likely toss overboard if elected and go back to her default setting: a Zio-con warhawk who won't criticize any wars or military spending, and just want some half-baked 'reformed' capitalism for domestic policy. Setting the table for next surge to the right at the end of four years.

I don't remember anyone declaring that the American people were better off 10 years after the recession except for Trump.

Of course, for dumb f**ks like you, whatever Trump says must be the truth.
 
Dec 2016
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2,821
Canada
#38
I don't remember anyone declaring that the American people were better off 10 years after the recession except for Trump.

Of course, for dumb f**ks like you, whatever Trump says must be the truth.
No, the problem is dumb fucks like you who are too immature to realize the "democracy" is a facade! My point is that BOTH parties curry favor with the same financial interests, and for that reason the divide between Democrats and Republicans on money issues is greatly exaggerated.

You keep trying to pretend that Trump is this unforeseen malevolent force who swooped in to destroy America (likely picked by Putin) and ruined everything. If you actually believe this crap, you've got Maddow disease or read too much beltway propaganda, because the real truth is that almost everything that Trump is doing now is based on policies that were already set in place under Obama and Bush 2! The misuse of the AUMF for instance. Weaponizing drones on a massive scale to make waging war on mostly civilians was an Obama adaptation after Bush's wars became so unpopular. Robot bombs that fall thousands of miles away in places like Afghanistan, Yemen or Somalia don't get covered by the Times or fake news networks. Children were already being put into detention camps at the US southern border also under Obama. The mandatory family separation policy that has swelled the numbers of children locked in concentration camps is Trump's innovation. On so many fronts, it's a matter of the next guy (R or D) raising the bar a little higher than the international war criminal he's replaced!

On the home front, if the Democrats offer any relief from the carnivorous devouring of austerity policies at home and war spending abroad, it's very minor...just a little buffing around the edges. This is why right now, the greatest fear of the Democrat leaders is having Bernie Sanders get through as the nominee! Because he has long been advocating some serious economic reforms (not just yesterday like Liz Warren) that will take some money out of the hands of the uber-rich and distribute it among the people again. The plutocrats would sooner blow up the whole system than to allow that to happen. So, they beat the bushes and got as many reliable party hacks to step up early and announce their candidacy for the nomination next year.

Until a lot more Americans wake up and realize how badly the system is rigged against them and actually either overrun the Democratic Party OR somehow coalesce around a 3rd party option that represents majority interests, there's no hope of changing much of anything whether or not you manage to get Trump out of office next year!
In fact, the greatest gift that Trump provides is being so childlike and telegraphic, that he gives away the whole game the ruling class is playing! A lot of people who were beguiled by Obama....or at least believed that he had good intentions have their eyes opened by having a temperamental child in the White House blurting out US policy objectives....like invading countries to steal their oil! That's why the top powers inside the halls of government in Washington want him out/not because of his policies. Trump is still a symptom of a much larger problem, and if or until some modern day Marcus Aurelius takes the helm and ends the wars and starts the process of turning an empire back into a republic again, there will be some combination of economic and environmental crash waiting for us all in the near future. I think that's why a lot of younger people aren't fooled anymore by all of the political pageantry.
*unfortunately fwiw, Marcus Aurelius died before he was able to steer Rome on a better course, and two or three emperors later, Rome was back in the imperial overreach business more forcefully and aggressively than it was during his time. The only thing that stopped it was collapse of the Empire in the 5th century.
 
Jul 2019
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Georgia
#39
Yes, with Rush Limbaugh, Fox News, and Sinclair Broadcasting as their official spokespersons.
Sinclair Broadcasting is plain scary. This is just local news to most people.

Sinclair’s latest conservative “must-run” segment attempts to defend Trump’s racist tweets

Sinclair’s latest conservative “must-run” segment attempts to defend Trump’s racist tweets

Chief political commentator Boris Epshteyn: “For those who believe that the American system is not for them, … you are free to go”
 
Dec 2012
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8,423
California
#40
I always have to laugh at threads like this which pretend to know the exact reason why 62,984,828 people voted for Trump. Also, it glosses over any reason why 65,853,514 voted for Clinton....

Regardless, when people stepped into the voting booth on November 8th, 2016, they had two effective choices. Trump or Clinton.
They weren't given a choice of saying "Vote for this candidate only if you reject neoliberalism".
They were essentially asked to select between two candidates and just two candidates.

Here's a poll which discusses the top concerns of voters in 2016.
Top voting issues in 2016 election
Without surprise, "neoliberalism" is not on that list. :rolleyes:



The very concept you just proposed is asinine.
Because a pundit (unelected person) shoots off his mouth, people are driven to vote for the party that opposes the pundit's ideology???
That's just stupid.
Gloss over something not used in a presidential election? Why would anyone discuss anything other than the Electoral College?
 

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