Trump Successfully Reduces Access to Healthcare

Nov 2018
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Inner Space
#11
You're saying you can't answer the question either! Are you a Kamala Harris volunteer?
Your question presumes that the entire legislative action of the Democratic Party is internally controllable, that some can control it, and that the crucial person is here on DDT.
None of those conditions pertain.
 
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Oct 2010
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#12
I have found that assumptions about Trump and his brand of identity politics often do not turn out as expected. While I agree with you, I hesitate to make predictions about future elections or his favorability as there is a segment of the population who are so certain and biased that even blatant hypocrisy, probable corruption, and self-serving inconsistency does not influence their support for him. What should have been just outlying wacko politics and extremist nonsense got legitimized. This grand fiction of ideas and fraudulent Trump Presidency has given them a solid reality. The capacity for rational thought while always a bit shaky in American politics has been completely undermined and, like any fiction, any outcome is possible.
Tell it.
 
Dec 2015
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#13
I have found that assumptions about Trump and his brand of identity politics often do not turn out as expected. While I agree with you, I hesitate to make predictions about future elections or his favorability as there is a segment of the population who are so certain and biased that even blatant hypocrisy, probable corruption, and self-serving inconsistency does not influence their support for him. What should have been just outlying wacko politics and extremist nonsense got legitimized. This grand fiction of ideas and fraudulent Trump Presidency has given them a solid reality. The capacity for rational thought while always a bit shaky in American politics has been completely undermined and, like any fiction, any outcome is possible.
The cult's solid reality is immediately evident when you hear Trump speak. Have you noticed? His ignorant, simpleton sentences are comparable to someone with an 8th-grade (or less) education. He can't even put a sentence together. His phrases are almost unintelligible, semantically confused one and two syllable concoctions that appeal to the illiterate.
These people are the disenfranchized--angry, unfulfilled, unschooled, racist and afraid---sorry--I know that's harsh. His comments are cruel, crass, crude. The man is not an adult. His childlike demeanor and speech patterns are appealing to a certain segment. I just heard him spin a yarn about how much we need the wall. My 4 yr old grandson, Sam, could have expressed himself more succinctly.
AND THAT'S what his supporters LOVE about him---as shocking and as confusing as that is--it's true. AND nothing we can do will change that. No matter what Trump does, his base will support him. They LOVE his ignorance--his bullying--his lies--his bias--his cheating. They TRULY LOVE IT. They WISH they were him. They wish they could BE HIM--TALK like him--be in power---LIKE HIM.
 
Nov 2018
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Inner Space
#14
The cult's solid reality is immediately evident when you hear Trump speak. Have you noticed? His ignorant, simpleton sentences are comparable to someone with an 8th-grade (or less) education. He can't even put a sentence together. His phrases are almost unintelligible, semantically confused one and two syllable concoctions that appeal to the illiterate.
These people are the disenfranchized--angry, unfulfilled, unschooled, racist and afraid---sorry--I know that's harsh. His comments are cruel, crass, crude. The man is not an adult. His childlike demeanor and speech patterns are appealing to a certain segment. I just heard him spin a yarn about how much we need the wall. My 4 yr old grandson, Sam, could have expressed himself more succinctly.
AND THAT'S what his supporters LOVE about him---as shocking and as confusing as that is--it's true. AND nothing we can do will change that. No matter what Trump does, his base will support him. They LOVE his ignorance--his bullying--his lies--his bias--his cheating. They TRULY LOVE IT. They WISH they were him. They wish they could BE HIM--TALK like him--be in power---LIKE HIM.
There is a dark corner of the American psyche that allows folks to validate the Confederacy, Jim Crow South, vigilante censorship and xenophobia of Germans during WWI, Japanese internment in WWII, McCarthyism and resistance to 1960's civil rights under the banner of a "right to discriminate".

Many RW here often demonstrate those long-standing characteristics that specifically include xenophobia, rabid and paranoid anti-Communism (confusing socialism with communism usually), appeal to simplistic generalizations intended to appeal to false patriotism and tradition, pro-gun fanaticism untempered by any reason, a preference for propaganda-influenced thinking (like Hate Radio), anti-intellectualism and an inherent distrust for diversity or alternative opinions.

For them, racism doesn't exist because they do not understand institutional racism; sexism doesn't exist because women are inherently different, climate change is untrue because some winters are cold and snowy; the earth is flat and the Holocaust was a fabrication (OK, not always, but along the same sort of reasoning). If some idea requires assimilation of new knowledge, they flee to some extreme position defined by a political ideology. They stopped learning at age 16 or so and view all issues as simply supportive or antithetical to their underlying inflexible dogma which they cling to because they consider loyalty to certain principles requires unquestioning allegiance.
 
Jul 2014
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#15
Speaking from a nation that, like the majority of countries in the world, has a public health insurance system and considers healthcare to be an essential public service, I'd like to know what all of you loyal Democrats are going to do about your Party leaders and the majority of your announced presidential candidates who are blathering about "improving" health care NOT public health care let alone: Medicare For All?

Up here, our provincial-administered healthcare systems are under siege and chipped away at every time a Conservative government takes office and finds ways to privatize medical services and allow "extra" billing for patients who can afford better health care options for themselves.

Eventually, unless the US turns back the creeping global privatization which tries to turn everything into corporate profit opportunities, the rest of us will be sucked in by the Great Attractor also. Except this one isn't a giant cosmic blob of some unknown origins far away that won't have an effect for billions of years, this one is here and now and getting more ruthless and desperate as global capitalists tear up and burn the furniture in the house to keep their profit fires burning!

I don't expect hell to freeze over/ or Trump to invoke Medicare For All, but aside from Bernie, what other announced candidate is talking about the same or similar plan? And I don't mean the bullshit word games using terms like "Improving" or "Strengthening" the ACL .....which depends on and rewards the same private insurance kleptocrats who created the mess in the first place!
Do you know what happens to candidates that speak the truth, that don't go negative, that believe the voters should get the facts and make their decision based on that?
They lose.
We have a system that favors lying sons of bitches over honest people.
Because there are a lot of people who like being lied to.
People who like being told they'd better off if we closed the border.
People who like being told that it's "those people" who are holding them back.
Because now their misery isn't their fault.
 
May 2018
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#16
What happened to that 'something great' health care everyone was supposed to get?
Remember..."repeal and replace". Not only that, Trump promised something "Cheaper and better". Huh....and yet here we are, things worse than ever and nothing Trump promised on that happened.

You don't think he was (shrug)....LYING, do you? :D
 
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May 2018
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#17
There is a dark corner of the American psyche that allows folks to validate the Confederacy, Jim Crow South, vigilante censorship and xenophobia of Germans during WWI, Japanese internment in WWII, McCarthyism and resistance to 1960's civil rights under the banner of a "right to discriminate".

Many RW here often demonstrate those long-standing characteristics that specifically include xenophobia, rabid and paranoid anti-Communism (confusing socialism with communism usually), appeal to simplistic generalizations intended to appeal to false patriotism and tradition, pro-gun fanaticism untempered by any reason, a preference for propaganda-influenced thinking (like Hate Radio), anti-intellectualism and an inherent distrust for diversity or alternative opinions.

For them, racism doesn't exist because they do not understand institutional racism; sexism doesn't exist because women are inherently different, climate change is untrue because some winters are cold and snowy; the earth is flat and the Holocaust was a fabrication (OK, not always, but along the same sort of reasoning). If some idea requires assimilation of new knowledge, they flee to some extreme position defined by a political ideology. They stopped learning at age 16 or so and view all issues as simply supportive or antithetical to their underlying inflexible dogma which they cling to because they consider loyalty to certain principles requires unquestioning allegiance.
Well said, Biff :D
 
May 2013
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arkansas
#18
Remember..."repeal and replace". Not only that, Trump promised something "Cheaper and better". Huh....and yet here we are, things worse than ever and nothing Trump promised on that happened.

You don't think he was (shrug)....LYING, do you? :D
Oh come on! Would Trump LIE? He just 'misspoke'. The video of him saying that is 'false news'. He was using 'alternative facts'. :vomit::vomit::vomit::vomit::vomit::vomit:
 
Dec 2016
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2,672
Canada
#19
Your question presumes that the entire legislative action of the Democratic Party is internally controllable, that some can control it, and that the crucial person is here on DDT.
None of those conditions pertain.
My question is not about Control...it's about Support! Is this still the bullshit "Any Blue Will Do," or have Dem loyalists figured out that the largest segment of Democratic supporters from the old days, abandoned them not because they all of a sudden became racists or they're gun-toting, religious right patriarchs-- the blue collar Democrats stopped supporting them or turned Republican, because there was nothing to gain from supporting the Democratic Party anymore after Billy started shifting the focus to 'entrepreneurial' class and 'new technologies.'

Most Democrats today make me nauseous, because they still think all they got to do is yell and scream about how bad Trump is, and everyone will be forced to come back home even if they aren't offered anything that meets their economic needs! That was Bernie's secret...plain and simple...it wasn't his white hair and grey flannel suits! And YES, the Party was "internally controllable" at least by the Clintons and their allies, cause the Podestaleaks and DNCleaks that got everyone accusing Russia about, revealed the corruption rotting out the Party from the inside! I don't see a whole lot of signs that they are allowing the new breed of real left/non-corporate funded politicians to have a hand on the 'wheel of change' in the Party today....at least, not yet!
 
Dec 2016
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Canada
#20
The cult's solid reality is immediately evident when you hear Trump speak. Have you noticed? His ignorant, simpleton sentences are comparable to someone with an 8th-grade (or less) education. He can't even put a sentence together. His phrases are almost unintelligible, semantically confused one and two syllable concoctions that appeal to the illiterate.
These people are the disenfranchized--angry, unfulfilled, unschooled, racist and afraid---sorry--I know that's harsh. His comments are cruel, crass, crude. The man is not an adult. His childlike demeanor and speech patterns are appealing to a certain segment. I just heard him spin a yarn about how much we need the wall. My 4 yr old grandson, Sam, could have expressed himself more succinctly.
AND THAT'S what his supporters LOVE about him---as shocking and as confusing as that is--it's true. AND nothing we can do will change that. No matter what Trump does, his base will support him. They LOVE his ignorance--his bullying--his lies--his bias--his cheating. They TRULY LOVE IT. They WISH they were him. They wish they could BE HIM--TALK like him--be in power---LIKE HIM.
You need to consider right now that Trump doesn't need a wide base of support if an already dubiously named "democratic system" decays any further! If Trump represents a fascist or a quasi-fascist movement, he doesn't need majority support to start with! All it takes is a small, loyal core of supporters who see their interests tied up with his, and he's off and running!

I can't forget that back when I was following the news of the quiet revolution in Spain back in 1975...after the death of longtime US-backed dictator - Francisco Franco, that when King Juan Carlos pulled a fast one on the fascist Falangist Party and the generals by declaring that he would relinquish governing power to an elected government once free and fair elections were held, that the results...which couldn't be controlled or tampered with by Franco henchmen led to a centrist-democratic government in coalition with the socialist party. As for Franco's old party...they still had a shitload of money and influence in all the high places of power, but even outside admirers of Franco who viewed him as a similar necessary evil like Pinochet, were shocked that the Falangists only got 8% of a real, legitimate vote!

That's all it takes for fascists with military and economic control to maintain power: about 5 to 10% of the population...depending only on how much fear they can instill in the general population! The question remaining is: are you going to keep the doors open to soft support for Trump and similar rightwing ideologues by offering better economic solutions to a growing crisis of elite wealth and expanding poverty/ or consign everyone who puts on a red hat or refuses centrist milquetoast Dems as a solution?

For the last two years, in the battle of ideas, Trump has won because he has often identified the problem...regardless of whether he has any interest or inclination to provide a solution.
 

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