Trumps Immigration Policy Hurting American Economy

Jun 2018
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He went bankrupt personally 6 times, and now he is going to do the same for the rest of us:

Why Trump's efforts to keep immigrants out hurts the U.S. economy

Trump’s new immigration rule announced this week would deny green cards to people who are deemed likely to rely on welfare and require public housing and food assistance. This marks a stark departure from U.S. immigration policy which has historically favored family reunification.

“Give me your tired and your poor who can stand on their own two feet and who will not become a public charge,” said Ken Cuccinelli, Trump’s top immigration official, in a recent interview.

In spite of often being the target of divisive political rhetoric, immigrants continue to prove that they are a crucial source of talent for corporate America and a key driver of the United States’ global economic leadership. More than half of U.S. Nobel Prize winners have been immigrants over the past five years and foreign-born individuals and their children have founded about 45% of Fortune 500 companies.

President Donald Trump reacts at the end of his speech at a campaign rally, Thursday, Aug. 15, 2019, in Manchester, N.H. (AP Photo/Patrick Semansky)
Foreign born workers only make up roughly 17% of the U.S. labor force, but they have an outsized role in specifically the types of high skilled occupations such as computer and mathematics-related jobs that are essential for long-term economic expansion and productivity growth, according to a new Goldman Sachs report by Abby Joseph Cohen and Michael Hao Wu.

Inflow of immigrants helps pay for Social Security and Medicare

As the country grapples with the challenges of funding vital programs such as Social Security, which has an $80 billion negative cash flow, and Medicare, a growing labor force is vital for generating much needed tax revenue. Many nations in the European Union, Japan, and China are facing the prospects of a shrinking labor force, but the U.S. has managed to buck this trend with the help of the inflow of immigrants.
 
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Dec 2015
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The incredible brilliance of Trump and his Ship of Fools is hard to explain, isn't it? Poor immigrants have been coming to this "shining city on a hill" since our founding. WE the people ARE THE progeny of those poor immigrants. The majority were uneducated, poor, working-class, non-English speaking foreigners who didn't have to prove a thing except their willingness to work and improve the lives of their children.
Our great-greats built this country, literally from the ground up.
Our great-greats DIED for this country and that includes those who lived in slums, shacks, tents and wagons.
But now, the great American Oligarchy has decided WE ARE just too damn good for those indigents--the ones who have traditionally done the dirty work--the backbreaking jobs that no one else wants.

Let me remind everyone that America has reached FULL EMPLOYMENT. What does that mean? It means that every American who WANTS TO WORK......IS WORKING. If the Fools in Washington had an ounce of vision they would stop crowing about the "economy, stupid" and realize that we need migrant labor--green card labor.
 

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Apr 2013
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The incredible brilliance of Trump and his Ship of Fools is hard to explain, isn't it? Poor immigrants have been coming to this "shining city on a hill" since our founding. WE the people ARE THE progeny of those poor immigrants. The majority were uneducated, poor, working-class, non-English speaking foreigners who didn't have to prove a thing except their willingness to work and improve the lives of their children.
Our great-greats built this country, literally from the ground up.
Our great-greats DIED for this country and that includes those who lived in slums, shacks, tents and wagons.
But now, the great American Oligarchy has decided WE ARE just too damn good for those indigents--the ones who have traditionally done the dirty work--the backbreaking jobs that no one else wants.

Let me remind everyone that America has reached FULL EMPLOYMENT. What does that mean? It means that every American who WANTS TO WORK......IS WORKING. If the Fools in Washington had an ounce of vision they would stop crowing about the "economy, stupid" and realize that we need migrant labor--green card labor.
Actually he is playing the rubes very, very successfully. He does all these things that will give a short term spike and sound like things the rubes have been told will MAGA. And they, with their lack of knowledge and lack of foresight swallow it whole.

All he wants is to win in 2020 so he can continue using the presidency to pump up his personal wealth and after that, he either doesn't care or he really is as dumb as his typical supporter.

A beautiful example is the corporate tax reduction. Instant stock market surge. But, that was totally because the corps were using all that cash to buy back their own stock. Not even give it to shareholders, not to build more factories, but to increase their stock prices. Well, that is done now. There is no question that the shit will hit the fan. The only question is will the shit hit the fan before or after election day.
 
Dec 2018
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Actually he is playing the rubes very, very successfully. He does all these things that will give a short term spike and sound like things the rubes have been told will MAGA. And they, with their lack of knowledge and lack of foresight swallow it whole.
Largely correct, and also a very good summation of Warren's methods.
 
Aug 2019
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It has been the case that those seeking legal resident status who had no visible means of support needs a sponsor, who guarantees will not be living on welfare.


Here is an explanation from 2016:

To “sponsor” someone means several different things in the immigration context. For example, you can “sponsor” a relative for a green card by petitioning for the relative to come live with you. “Sponsor” also means agreeing to be financially responsible for someone and proving to immigration officials that you can support that person. Alternately, you could sponsor an employee to come to the United States and work for you.] In order to sponsor an immigrant, you should gather the necessary forms and other supporting documentation. How to Sponsor an Immigrant

So the question becomes, how does someone on welfare, who cannot provide for their own needs, provide the needs of relatives.


That is where it gets interesting. Illegal immigrants do not have that obstacle. They do not ned a sponsor - Welfare train full speed ahead.


Officials with the U.S. Department of Agriculture have been quietly assuring illegal immigrants that taking food stamps and other government assistance won’t slow their paths toward citizenship.
The agency’s Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program addresses the point: The brochure asks, “If I get on SNAP benefits, will I be a ‘public charge?’”
The brochure then answers: “No. You and your family can apply for and receive SNAP benefits without hurting your chance of becoming U.S. citizens.”
The Daily Caller reported on the brochure, which was part of a packet the USDA gives Mexican consulates for distribution among various Mexican communities in the United States.
The Census Breau reports that heads of households born in Mexico are more likely than any other nationality to take some form of government food assistance.
More than 45 percent are on food assistance, according to March 2011 Census figures, The Daily Caller reports. By way of comparison, just under 14 percent of native-born Americans use food stamps, the report continued.
Read more: Illegal immigrants on food stamps won’t face slower citizenship path: USDA
 
Nov 2012
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Trump economy Average GDP 2.7%

Obama Economy average GDP post Summer of Recovery post june 2010 1.6% ( so you cannot blame the recession)



Nuff said.