Tulsi Gabbard is a RUSSIAN ASSET

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Wait a bloody minute, please. Help Trump? That seems straight out of the Twilight Zone.

Please explain that.

Sanders and Warren having a "little disagreement," now that sure as hell helps Trump.
YEP---Bernie and Liz had a little spat over who-knows-what. Then they kissed, made up and walked arm and arm on MLK day.
But hey--the Partisan Pubs certainly thought they had something to cling to...at least for about five minutes. Lizzy said "Bernie and I are friends. We've been friends for a long time. That hasn't changed."
I don't think that helps Trump or anyone else.
 
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Works for me:

Throughout my life, whether through serving in the military or in Congress, I’ve always worked to do what is in the best interests of our country. Not what’s best for me politically or what’s best for my political party. I have always put our country first. One may not always agree with my decision, but everyone should know that I will always do what I believe to be right for the country that I love.

After doing my due diligence in reviewing the 658-page impeachment report, I came to the conclusion that I could not in good conscience vote either yes or no.

I am standing in the center and have decided to vote Present. I could not in good conscience vote against impeachment because I believe President Trump is guilty of wrongdoing.

I also could not in good conscience vote for impeachment because removal of a sitting President must not be the culmination of a partisan process, fueled by tribal animosities that have so gravely divided our country. When I cast my vote in support of the impeachment inquiry nearly three months ago, I said that in order to maintain the integrity of this solemn undertaking, it must not be a partisan endeavor. Tragically, that’s what it has been.

On the one side — The president’s defenders insist that he has done nothing wrong. They agree with the absurd proclamation that his conduct was “perfect.” They have abdicated their responsibility to exercise legitimate oversight, and instead blindly do the bidding of their party’s leader.

On the other side — The president’s opponents insist that if we do not impeach, our country will collapse into dictatorship. All but explicitly, they accuse him of treason. Such extreme rhetoric was never conducive to an impartial fact-finding process.

The Founders of our country made clear their concerns about impeachment being a purely partisan exercise. In the Federalist Papers, Alexander Hamilton warned against any impeachment that would merely “connect itself with the pre-existing factions,” and “enlist all their animosities, partialities, influence, and interest on one side or on the other.” In such cases, he said, “there will always be the greatest danger that the decision will be regulated more by the comparative strength of parties, than by the real demonstrations of innocence or guilt.”

Donald Trump has violated public trust. Congress must be unequivocal in denouncing the president’s misconduct and stand up for the American people and our democracy. To this end, I have introduced a censure resolution that will send a strong message to this president and future presidents that their abuses of power will not go unchecked, while leaving the question of removing Trump from office to the voters to decide.

I am confident that the American people will decide to deliver a resounding rebuke of President Trump’s innumerable improprieties and abuses. And they will express that judgment at the ballot box. That is the way real and lasting change has always occurred in this great country: through the forcefully expressed will of the people.

A house divided cannot stand. And today we are divided. Fragmentation and polarity are ripping our country apart. This breaks my heart, and breaks the hearts of all patriotic Americans, whether we are Democrats, Republicans, or Independents.

So today, I come before you to make a stand for the center, to appeal to all of you to bridge our differences and stand up for the American people.


My vote today is a vote for much needed reconciliation and hope that together we can heal our country. Let’s work side-by-side, seeking common ground, to usher in a bright future for the American people, our country, and our nation.
cool, but it sure as hell doesn't work for me, and if she read the same 658 page judiciary report that I've read a good bit of, and still couldn't vote for impeaching the president, because of "partisan blah blah blah" excuses, then she has no business being President of the United States. A good President should be able to make decisions for the sake of the Country, not based on whether he or she thinks it's "too partisan".

that Judiciary report is based strictly on the Constitution and is not at all partisan, as far as I can tell.
 

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YEP---Bernie and Liz had a little spat over who-knows-what. Then they kissed, made up and walked arm and arm on MLK day.
But hey--the Partisan Pubs certainly thought they had something to cling to...at least for about five minutes. Lizzy said "Bernie and I are friends. We've been friends for a long time. That hasn't changed."
I don't think that helps Trump or anyone else.
The question is: Which one of them was telling the truth over we know what, cause we know what the squabble was over, and only one of them is telling the truth. But let's just pooh-pooh it. Is that the plan?

And, se7en says, "I'm sure we'll find out in due time, but if she ever had intention to help trump, or if anyone was using her to help trump, it's looking like the plan may have backfired."

If she ever had the intention, the plan backfired. F**king really?????

I'll have my innuendo over easy with a side order of ad hominem, please. With all due respect to everyone, Gabbard seems to inspire Trump-like behavior.

So, please what has she done to give the impression that she wants to help Trump? I'd appreciate a direct answer.
 

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cool, but it sure as hell doesn't work for me, and if she read the same 658 page judiciary report that I've read a good bit of, and still couldn't vote for impeaching the president, because of "partisan blah blah blah" excuses, then she has no business being President of the United States. A good President should be able to make decisions for the sake of the Country, not based on whether he or she thinks it's "too partisan".

that Judiciary report is based strictly on the Constitution and is not at all partisan, as far as I can tell.
The point is, everywhere outside of Fantasyland, this impeachment is nothing but a political exercise that if successful, you know, the day after hell freezes over, the repercussions would be severe and unpredictable. But maybe you're locked and loaded and ready for the big one. I don't know.

Or, maybe all the impeachment proceedings will provide good ammo against the Republican Reprobates in the 2020 election. I don't know that either.

But the trumped up (sorry ;) ) charge you raise, that if she can't vote for impeachment she wouldn't be able to make decisions as a president is bullshit and I hope you don't need me to tell you that. We have a political system of which the best that can be said is one side is the greater of two evils. I admire someone who can stand up to it.

She very clearly said Trump is guilty of wrongdoing; she noted, the impeachment process has been rife with fear mongering and partisan politics, and in the end whatever the outcome the tribal animosities will be amplified ... when the solution to ending Donald J. Trump as president is about ten months away.

And in those ten months, DJ will, by catering to his base as he did with his approving water pollution yesterday, create more and more enemies, and will, imo, work tirelessly for his defeat.
 
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someone polling at less than 2% isn't really worth my energy. you're allowed to like her and believe her.

I don't. And haven't since 2016, and that's not going to change. I've laid out my reasons, many times. I'm not going to budge on this sorry.

back to the business of our Nation

(and some good reasons to disagree with her spineless "Present" vote)

 
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someone polling at less than 2% isn't really worth my energy. you're allowed to like her and believe her.

I don't. And haven't since 2016, and that's not going to change. I've laid out my reasons, many times. I'm not going to budge on this sorry.

back to the business of our Nation

Don't budge. You're allowed not to budge.

Your link is off topic in this thread.
 
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There's a LOT of people who aren't Russian assets who despise Hitlery and likes Tulsi. You bringing up RT, shows just how shallow you are. Attacking the messenger, and not the message, is shallow, man. Very shallow. In fact it's "trump-like."
It's the reboot of McCarthyism...Russians like Tulsi...Tulsi must be bad..same with Bernie I assume!
 
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someone polling at less than 2% isn't really worth my energy. you're allowed to like her and believe her.

I don't. And haven't since 2016, and that's not going to change. I've laid out my reasons, many times. I'm not going to budge on this sorry.

back to the business of our Nation

(and some good reasons to disagree with her spineless "Present" vote)

If I believed one word that bastard says I might watch. So far, Schiff is only good at advancing his position in the Democrap Party and repeating warmongering hysteria already said last year by NSC propagandists:

U.S. Aids Ukraine So ‘We Don’t Have To Fight Russia Over Here’


In reality what the US has been doing since Obama's 2nd term is instigating a civil war in Ukraine and supplying a fascist government in Kiev to bomb and destroy uncooperative territories in the east. It's noteworthy that of all of Trump's war crimes....including his recent assassinations of foreign military leaders, it was holding up arms shipments to the Kiev Government that has put him at risk of impeachment. While on the other side, the Jewish president of Western Ukraine recently pulled out of attending a holocaust memorial in Jerusalem because of fear it would offend some of the Nazis at home and risk a fate worse than impeachment! It's a crime in Ukraine today to criticize Ukraine’s WW2 Nazi collaborators, that have been rehabilitated as official heroes post-Maidan.

 
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The point is, everywhere outside of Fantasyland, this impeachment is nothing but a political exercise that if successful, you know, the day after hell freezes over, the repercussions would be severe and unpredictable. But maybe you're locked and loaded and ready for the big one. I don't know.

Or, maybe all the impeachment proceedings will provide good ammo against the Republican Reprobates in the 2020 election. I don't know that either.

But the trumped up (sorry ;) ) charge you raise, that if she can't vote for impeachment she wouldn't be able to make decisions as a president is bullshit and I hope you don't need me to tell you that. We have a political system of which the best that can be said is one side is the greater of two evils. I admire someone who can stand up to it.

She very clearly said Trump is guilty of wrongdoing; she noted, the impeachment process has been rife with fear mongering and partisan politics, and in the end whatever the outcome the tribal animosities will be amplified ... when the solution to ending Donald J. Trump as president is about ten months away.

And in those ten months, DJ will, by catering to his base as he did with his approving water pollution yesterday, create more and more enemies, and will, imo, work tirelessly for his defeat.
The only chance the dems have of actually getting Trump out of office is through the election. So they screw over the only democrat (IMO) that could actually beat Trump in the election. Why? Her record for one. (Congressional and military) is that she's not a radical socialist. Obviously she has some socialist like views and idea's. But, when you consider the spending cuts she's proposing, that in itself, also IMO, is what keeps her from being radical.
And personally, I don't think most people give a rats arse as to what's going on in the middle east. And never really have. 99.999999% of the R and/or D's have not opened up their lives or homes to middle eastern refugee's. Which would mean that you actually care.

But I digress. The way the NYT, CNN, MSNBC and the other left leaning media outlets have either bashed Tulsi or ignored her, makes me think the DNC is pulling the strings from a 2016 grudge they have for her for exposing how they rigged the nomination in favor of Hillary. It's as plain as the nose on your face.