U.S. Women's Soccer: We've got one more to go!

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Who said there had to be a "choice"? Common people face that decision every day. What makes them special?

IMO, there is too much of this relying on some form of discrimination to get ones way. In football Black players make more then whites. Discrimination? How about the truck driver that drives for a larger company getting more then the driver for a small company. Should he get equal pay?

Are they forced to play, or are there other options?
No, no, no.
You are totally missing the point.
First of all, do black football players make more than white players? Is it due to their race? Are the black players who make more than white players more skilled?
It makes no difference in the disparity between two different companies' wage chart. The discrimination comes into play if certain races, genders, ethnicities, etc. make more than others within ONE company.
You are using bad analogies to make a point that I don't think has validity.
 
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Wasn't for me, and I am not a subscriber:

Just months before they are set to defend their world title on the global stage, the members of the U.S. women’s national soccer team filed a gender discrimination lawsuit against U.S. Soccer on Friday, accusing the national federation of paying lower salaries to women and subjecting them to more dangerous playing conditions than their male counterparts.

The lawsuit continues a years-long battle between the women’s team, which has vaulted in status while winning the World Cup three times, and U.S. Soccer over the players’ compensation and treatment compared with that of the men’s team, which has accomplished far less, never winning a world title and failing to qualify for the most recent World Cup.

It is also the latest entry in a series of high-profile disputes over gender equity in international team sports, including those in basketball, hockey and tennis.

In the lawsuit, filed on International Women’s Day in U.S. District Court in Los Angeles, the women’s team members allege that U.S. Soccer has “utterly failed to promote gender equality” and assert that federation officials have “gone so far as to claim that ‘market realities are such that the women do not deserve to be paid equally to the men.’ ”

According to the suit, a comparison of pay schedules for the teams shows that if each played 20 exhibition games in a year, members of the men’s team could earn an average of $263,320 each, while women’s team players could earn a maximum of $99,000.

[Barry Svrluga: U.S. women’s soccer players deserve equal pay, and it shouldn’t take a lawsuit]

In 2016, five members of the U.S. women’s team similarly alleged wage discrimination in a complaint with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, a precursor to Friday’s lawsuit. U.S. Soccer declined to comment Friday.

The suit is on behalf of 28 current women’s players — including stars Alex Morgan, Megan Rapinoe and Carli Lloyd — and seeks class-action status, which would allow former players from teams dating from 2015 to join.

“We feel a responsibility not only to stand up for what we know we deserve as athletes, but also for what we know is right — on behalf of our teammates, future teammates, fellow women athletes, and women all around the world,” Rapinoe said in a news release Friday.

“Each of us is extremely proud to wear the United States jersey, and we also take seriously the responsibility that comes with that,” Morgan said, also in a news release. “We believe that fighting for gender equality in sports is a part of that responsibility. As players, we deserved to be paid equally for our work, regardless of our gender.”

The United States is the most successful team in women’s soccer history, winning World Cup titles in 1991, 1999 and 2015 to go with four Olympic gold medals. With marketable stars and memorable on-field moments — most notably Brandi Chastain’s penalty-kick goal to win the 1999 World Cup on U.S. soil — the team and its best players have acquired a level of celebrity perhaps unmatched by women in other American professional team sports.

Their dispute with U.S. Soccer mirrors the issues that prompted a near-strike by the U.S. women’s hockey team over alleged gender disparities that was averted weeks before the 2017 world championships. And it also comes as WNBA players are mulling collective action over allegations they receive a lower percentage of their league’s revenue than their counterparts in the NBA and as women’s tennis players continue to push for more tournaments beyond the Grand Slam events to agree to equal prize payouts for men and women.

Headquartered in Chicago, U.S. Soccer is the national federation for the sport, overseeing the men’s and women’s national teams for international competition as well as working to develop soccer’s domestic talent pipeline.

In the lawsuit, the women’s team members accuse U.S. Soccer officials of rigidly adhering to a pay structure that more richly rewards men’s team members than women’s team members despite an obvious disparity in competitive success that, in recent years, has been joined by rising commercial success for the women.

[Analysis: National team hopes to send a message to girls everywhere]

Comparing revenue and pay between the men’s and women’s teams has been difficult because of differences in employment and income structures, as well as a lack of publicly available information. The members of the men’s team are employed by professional clubs around the world and receive additional compensation when they play for the national team. Conversely, the top female players are under contract with U.S. Soccer, not individual teams. Neither the federation nor the union for the women’s players has made publicly available financial information that would allow for apples-to-apples comparisons in revenue and pay.

In the lawsuit, the women claim that, in 2016, U.S. Soccer made more than $17 million in unexpected profit thanks largely to the women’s team while paying the women’s team players substantially less than their male counterparts.

The lawsuit also highlights the differences in World Cup bonuses. After the 2014 World Cup, U.S. Soccer paid $5.375 million in bonuses to the men’s team, which lost in the round of 16. In 2015, the lawsuit states, U.S. Soccer paid $1.725 million in bonuses to the women, who won the World Cup.

However, the World Cup team bonus pool is set by global governing organization FIFA, not U.S. Soccer, and there is a massive difference between the bonus pools — $400 million for 32 men’s teams compared with $30 million for 24 women’s teams — that reflects a sizable difference between the revenue for the events.

The U.S. women’s team members play under a collective bargaining agreement negotiated in 2016. During those negotiations, according to the lawsuit, the union for the women suggested a revenue-sharing model in which women’s team pay would rise and fall in connection with the team’s earnings.

“This showed the players’ willingness to share in the risk and reward of the economic success of the [national team],” the lawsuit states. U.S. Soccer “categorically rejected” the proposal, according to the suit.

In response to criticism, U.S. Soccer has made strides on gender equality in recent years. The federation’s most recent financial statement, in 2017, listed four women’s players among U.S. Soccer’s highest-paid employees, each making more than $240,000. Men appear on that list only after collecting World Cup bonuses.

But there are noticeable differences that persist in other areas, according to the lawsuit. From 2014 to 2017, the lawsuit states, the women played 13 times on artificial turf, which players believe is more likely to cause injuries, and the men played on turf just once. During the women’s 2015 World Cup victory tour, a game in Honolulu was canceled because the artificial turf was in poor shape.
Your article just illustrated the problem. It’s very clear- men and women in the exact same organization and do the same job are being paid very differently, Why?
No one who works in fast food expects to make the same as a CEO. So your earlier comparison is way off.
 
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Your article just illustrated the problem. It’s very clear- men and women in the exact same organization and do the same job are being paid very differently, Why?
No one who works in fast food expects to make the same as a CEO. So your earlier comparison is way off.

When I used to drive truck for a living it was the same argument "equal pay for equal work". A woman "driver" who could not back up, or hook up to a trailer, was listed as a truck driver, and paid the same as the man.

In the movies I see 110 pound women hauling a 200 pound man out of a burning building on her back. That's the movies.

In this case there is some question as to which of the two organizations draws the bigger crowds, or makes the most money. However, I seriously doubt the women can beat the men in a one on one team playoff. But the argument should not be made based on sex. It should be based on economics. Using sex is a distraction.
 
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When I used to drive truck for a living it was the same argument "equal pay for equal work". A woman "driver" who could not back up, or hook up to a trailer, was listed as a truck driver, and paid the same as the man.

In the movies I see 110 pound women hauling a 200 pound man out of a burning building on her back. That's the movies.

In this case there is some question as to which of the two organizations draws the bigger crowds, or makes the most money. However, I seriously doubt the women can beat the men in a one on one team playoff. But the argument should not be made based on sex. It should be based on economics. Using sex is a distraction.
Interesting. Your argument is there are some drivers (and you point to women) who can't back up, hook up--but are paid the same...?
Better tuck that misogyny shirt back in your pants. It's hanging out for the whole world to see.
 
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When I used to drive truck for a living it was the same argument "equal pay for equal work". A woman "driver" who could not back up, or hook up to a trailer, was listed as a truck driver, and paid the same as the man.

In the movies I see 110 pound women hauling a 200 pound man out of a burning building on her back. That's the movies.

In this case there is some question as to which of the two organizations draws the bigger crowds, or makes the most money. However, I seriously doubt the women can beat the men in a one on one team playoff. But the argument should not be made based on sex. It should be based on economics. Using sex is a distraction.
Read the article you posted one more time.

And really? Women can't back up a truck or hook to a trailer? Really?
 
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Think about this folks. The men's team has been around since 1930 !! In all those years it;s only brought home the championship ONE time. That was all the way back in 1950. The women's team has brought home the championship FOUR times since 1991. AND many of them competed in the Olympics where they brought home the gold.

So who is the better team ?? Who should be paid more ?
 
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Interesting. Your argument is there are some drivers (and you point to women) who can't back up, hook up--but are paid the same...?
Better tuck that misogyny shirt back in your pants. It's hanging out for the whole world to see.
Just what has mysogyny got to do with requiring one be able to do the same job as another if they expect the same pay?

Better for you to stick your gender bias back wherever you keep it.
 
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Think about this folks. The men's team has been around since 1930 !! In all those years it;s only brought home the championship ONE time. That was all the way back in 1950. The women's team has brought home the championship FOUR times since 1991. AND many of them competed in the Olympics where they brought home the gold.

So who is the better team ?? Who should be paid more ?

Then argue they should be paid more, and leave the gender question out of it.
 
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Read the article you posted one more time.

And really? Women can't back up a truck or hook to a trailer? Really?
Yep. Seen it happen too often. Many can not even pull the pin to break lose, or rack the trailer down on its landing legs. Then there is the loading and unloading.

Believe it , or not, men and women are not equal.