US to end military drills with South Korea

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How about because it costs approximately 150 million per year to carry out these drills; and they are extremely damaging to the environment that liberals claim to hold in such high regard out of the other sides of their mouths!

And, the hysteria over an otherwise dangerous megalomaniac wanting to end one....just one possible nuclear war front that would incinerate the Korean Peninsula and more, is a cause of panic on CNN, MSNBC and other pro war media fronts....which want to wear figleafs of fighting against racism, sexism, homophobia etc. while supporting the imperial forces that threaten and seize wealth from nations abroad! And only surprise to me, is that their gung-ho support for bombing and wars isn't tempered even a little, when the occupant in the White House is declared 'dangerously unbalanced!'
The End!
 
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How about because it costs approximately 150 million per year to carry out these drills; and they are extremely damaging to the environment that liberals claim to hold in such high regard out of the other sides of their mouths!

And, the hysteria over an otherwise dangerous megalomaniac wanting to end one....just one possible nuclear war front that would incinerate the Korean Peninsula and more, is a cause of panic on CNN, MSNBC and other pro war media fronts....which want to wear figleafs of fighting against racism, sexism, homophobia etc. while supporting the imperial forces that threaten and seize wealth from nations abroad! And only surprise to me, is that their gung-ho support for bombing and wars isn't tempered even a little, when the occupant in the White House is declared 'dangerously unbalanced!'
The End!
Good god. That was pathetic and delusional. Trump is doing just the opposite of what he claims. He's emboldening Russia, China and NK. This recent pow wow with Little Kim was embarrassing as hell. His Otto Warmbier comment alone was terrible and disgusting.

BTW, how's that disarmament coming along? Hmm? Little Kim has pretty much shut the door on that one.
 
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Good god. That was pathetic and delusional. Trump is doing just the opposite of what he claims. He's emboldening Russia, China and NK. This recent pow wow with Little Kim was embarrassing as hell. His Otto Warmbier comment alone was terrible and disgusting.

BTW, how's that disarmament coming along? Hmm? Little Kim has pretty much shut the door on that one.
I never look at any comments of any sort that Trump makes...and I don't read his tweets either. So, I don't know why Otto Warmbier went to North Korea to start with or what happened to him, but there are only so many things in the news that I can follow at any one time. For most sane people, North Korea would not be a place to go to unless we were part of a peace delegation that had approval for entry by the Government!

North Korea was "emboldened" it was by the long pattern of threatened invasion with annual war games by the US and their government in the South which had been under US control until forced to have real democratic elections relatively recently! That is the cause of WHY Korea wants to Reunify! Talk to the vast majority of Korean expats, and they may take a dim view to the Kim Dynasty, but they want a united/not a divided nation again....just like Germany and Vietnam! The Big stumbling block has always been the American Empire...with support from Japan, Taiwan and other states who fear the economic power of a united Korean nation again.

In recent times, the Clinton Administration actually had begun a pathway to end the Korean War (that has never ended!) and normalize relations leading to reunification eventually, and then George W Bush fucked it all up! So that one is on the Republicans, because Axis of Weasel - David Frum was told to craft a speech for the empty-headed one to place all three long desired regime change subjects of the Neoconservative Lobby in one category, and re-introduced sanctions along with cancelling the sale of a lightwater reactor to NK to replace their aging heavy water reactors capable of producing heavy isotopes that can be weaponized. The only surprise for the Neocon establishement in Washington was the speed of North Korea's relaunched nuclear and missile programs, which created the crisis where it fell upon Trump himself to decide he had to either start a war or follow the South Korean initiative towards a peace agreement.
The real danger today is not the North Koreans or even Trump! It's the fucking Neocon advisers you guys call "the adults in the room" like John Bolton, Mike Pompeo, along with VP Pence, who steered Trump back in the direction of saber-rattling to look tough on the international stage. But once again, the liberal establishment shows that they are cut from the same cloth as the Neocons...who the original group were all from the Democratic Party anyway! They are just in a hurry to curry favor and be more obsequious to the war machine than Republicans! So both parties in the bipartisan shit show are mainly focused on how to best appeal to the most evil, most dangerous people on the planet!

And, if you want to know why Russia and China are "emboldened!" Same goddammed reason! China especially, and also possibly India as well, are following the American example to expanding economic power through the application of military force. The US Empire had an opportunity to change the way things are done and business is conducted on the world stage, but they failed...Badly! Instead of strengthening international governing institutions, the US weakened them...only applying them when needed against enemies in Africa and Latin America. America has lost the high ground, so if any future US leader tries to appeal to the wider international community to restrain the increasing power of Russia, China or India, it will fall on deaf ears, because you had your chance and decided to double down on greed, exploitation of others, while both self-important liberals and conservatives in the US lost interest in everything that has been happening outside its borders! There are good reasons why the United States is now considered the most dangerous global threat by the rest of the world, instead of the usual suspects you prefer like Russia, China, Iran etc., and it's mostly because people in other places (even with co-opted media) understand basically who has ruined their lives....they're just not as sure about Why?
 
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How about because it costs approximately 150 million per year to carry out these drills; and they are extremely damaging to the environment that liberals claim to hold in such high regard out of the other sides of their mouths!

And, the hysteria over an otherwise dangerous megalomaniac wanting to end one....just one possible nuclear war front that would incinerate the Korean Peninsula and more, is a cause of panic on CNN, MSNBC and other pro war media fronts....which want to wear figleafs of fighting against racism, sexism, homophobia etc. while supporting the imperial forces that threaten and seize wealth from nations abroad! And only surprise to me, is that their gung-ho support for bombing and wars isn't tempered even a little, when the occupant in the White House is declared 'dangerously unbalanced!'
The End!
Oh yeah, it's not like 10% of our taxes will pay for it or the fact that they regularly threaten the U.S. with weapons of mass destruction.
 
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I never look at any comments of any sort that Trump makes...and I don't read his tweets either. So, I don't know why Otto Warmbier went to North Korea to start with or what happened to him, but there are only so many things in the news that I can follow at any one time. For most sane people, North Korea would not be a place to go to unless we were part of a peace delegation that had approval for entry by the Government!

North Korea was "emboldened" it was by the long pattern of threatened invasion with annual war games by the US and their government in the South which had been under US control until forced to have real democratic elections relatively recently! That is the cause of WHY Korea wants to Reunify! Talk to the vast majority of Korean expats, and they may take a dim view to the Kim Dynasty, but they want a united/not a divided nation again....just like Germany and Vietnam! The Big stumbling block has always been the American Empire...with support from Japan, Taiwan and other states who fear the economic power of a united Korean nation again.

In recent times, the Clinton Administration actually had begun a pathway to end the Korean War (that has never ended!) and normalize relations leading to reunification eventually, and then George W Bush fucked it all up! So that one is on the Republicans, because Axis of Weasel - David Frum was told to craft a speech for the empty-headed one to place all three long desired regime change subjects of the Neoconservative Lobby in one category, and re-introduced sanctions along with cancelling the sale of a lightwater reactor to NK to replace their aging heavy water reactors capable of producing heavy isotopes that can be weaponized. The only surprise for the Neocon establishement in Washington was the speed of North Korea's relaunched nuclear and missile programs, which created the crisis where it fell upon Trump himself to decide he had to either start a war or follow the South Korean initiative towards a peace agreement.
The real danger today is not the North Koreans or even Trump! It's the fucking Neocon advisers you guys call "the adults in the room" like John Bolton, Mike Pompeo, along with VP Pence, who steered Trump back in the direction of saber-rattling to look tough on the international stage. But once again, the liberal establishment shows that they are cut from the same cloth as the Neocons...who the original group were all from the Democratic Party anyway! They are just in a hurry to curry favor and be more obsequious to the war machine than Republicans! So both parties in the bipartisan shit show are mainly focused on how to best appeal to the most evil, most dangerous people on the planet!

And, if you want to know why Russia and China are "emboldened!" Same goddammed reason! China especially, and also possibly India as well, are following the American example to expanding economic power through the application of military force. The US Empire had an opportunity to change the way things are done and business is conducted on the world stage, but they failed...Badly! Instead of strengthening international governing institutions, the US weakened them...only applying them when needed against enemies in Africa and Latin America. America has lost the high ground, so if any future US leader tries to appeal to the wider international community to restrain the increasing power of Russia, China or India, it will fall on deaf ears, because you had your chance and decided to double down on greed, exploitation of others, while both self-important liberals and conservatives in the US lost interest in everything that has been happening outside its borders! There are good reasons why the United States is now considered the most dangerous global threat by the rest of the world, instead of the usual suspects you prefer like Russia, China, Iran etc., and it's mostly because people in other places (even with co-opted media) understand basically who has ruined their lives....they're just not as sure about Why?
Blah, blah, blah. Your rants are tiresome and kooky. Make your point in a concise manner. I have no time to read through this.

You seem to have plenty of time to rant, but you can’t be bothered to know what happened with Warmbier? Well, given the level of self-absorption displayed in your posts, I guess that makes sense.
 
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Blah, blah, blah. Your rants are tiresome and kooky. Make your point in a concise manner. I have no time to read through this.

You seem to have plenty of time to rant, but you can’t be bothered to know what happened with Warmbier? Well, given the level of self-absorption displayed in your posts, I guess that makes sense.
Warmbier was one man, who for reasons that were never clear wanted to go to North Korea, so he became part of some guided tour as very briefly noted in the Wikipedia entry, was accused of theft, arrested and sentenced to 15 years in a North Korean prison, where he fell ill and went into a coma and eventually into a vegetative state. After return of his body to the US, a coroner's inquest couldn't determine the cause of death, but ruled out blunt force trauma.

Now, like I said, this case represents one death in a foreign prison, and a country like the US, which hauls away hundreds of dead bodies every year from its prisons, as a result of prison fights, aggravated sexual assaults and suspected beatings by guards that are never fully investigated, isn't exactly standing on higher ground when its pointing fingers at adversaries!

So, Otto Warmbier or not/ tell me why you and liberal Democrats are against ending the Korean War, including the sanctions and the war games, and allowing Koreans to have their independence back and return as a united nation again as it was before the Korean War?

And then you can try to deal with the fact that "liberals" are at the forefront of instigating the post-Cold War nuclear arms race that includes weaponizing space and being stupid enough to think Russia and China will just sit back and allow the US to place floating nuclear warhead platforms and particle beam weapons above their heads without engaging in deploying weapons in space also! Back in the 80's, Reagan was roundly condemned for his "Star Wars" plans. Now that many of these weapons are close to operational, it's a bipartisan project in the US supported by Democrats and Republicans!

And, if you don't have time to deal with your inconsistencies, stop wasting my time pretending you have any real points to make!
 
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Oh yeah, it's not like 10% of our taxes will pay for it or the fact that they regularly threaten the U.S. with weapons of mass destruction.
You are spending more than half of your annual federal budget now on military and related costs, and if you're not paying attention to the news of late, Trump and Kim are supposed to have another meeting to try to reach an agreement...maybe without Bolton or Pompeo around, it might mean that Trump can wind down at least one war...which is better than nothing to anyone who has considered the potential impacts of allowing nuclear proliferation to continue on and expand further!

If you did more than read the headlines in our news/propaganda, you'd be aware that the North Korean nuclear threat is the reason why they were not subject to Iraq-style regime change. But, their negotiating team in Hanoi this week were expecting to offer up nuclear weapons and weapons development facilities in return for an end to US sanctions and a formal end of the Korean War, along with some sort of guarantees that the next administration cannot just tear up the agreements like past presidents have done! That doesn't sound like too much to ask for from a nation that was threatened by Truman with nuclear annihilation in 1953, and with the threat of invasion every year the US and allies conduct those expensive, environmentally damaging war game practice invasion drills.
 

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Warmbier was one man, who for reasons that were never clear wanted to go to North Korea, so he became part of some guided tour as very briefly noted in the Wikipedia entry, was accused of theft, arrested and sentenced to 15 years in a North Korean prison, where he fell ill and went into a coma and eventually into a vegetative state. After return of his body to the US, a coroner's inquest couldn't determine the cause of death, but ruled out blunt force trauma.

Now, like I said, this case represents one death in a foreign prison, and a country like the US, which hauls away hundreds of dead bodies every year from its prisons, as a result of prison fights, aggravated sexual assaults and suspected beatings by guards that are never fully investigated, isn't exactly standing on higher ground when its pointing fingers at adversaries!

So, Otto Warmbier or not/ tell me why you and liberal Democrats are against ending the Korean War, including the sanctions and the war games, and allowing Koreans to have their independence back and return as a united nation again as it was before the Korean War?

And then you can try to deal with the fact that "liberals" are at the forefront of instigating the post-Cold War nuclear arms race that includes weaponizing space and being stupid enough to think Russia and China will just sit back and allow the US to place floating nuclear warhead platforms and particle beam weapons above their heads without engaging in deploying weapons in space also! Back in the 80's, Reagan was roundly condemned for his "Star Wars" plans. Now that many of these weapons are close to operational, it's a bipartisan project in the US supported by Democrats and Republicans!

And, if you don't have time to deal with your inconsistencies, stop wasting my time pretending you have any real points to make!
Dude, NK allows some tourists into the country. They have special hotels, special restaurants, for the tourists. Otto was there on a five-day vacation package with a number of other tourists. His roommate was a Brit.

It's really good to have the basic facts down before embarking on a high-sounding, lengthy soliloquy.