Versions of socialism (all of them suck), and the problem with socialism

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Some people act like nationalism is bad & being democratic is good. People are focusing on the wrong thing when they do this. There are things like national socialism and democratic socialism; it's not the "national" or "democratic" parts that are the problem, it's the "socialism" part that's the problem. I don't have a problem with nationalism & being democratic per se.

Nationalism is merely about a certain collective layer of society scaled nearly all the way up with specific characteristics. There's the individual; there are the couples, the nuclear family, and relatives; there are the neighbors, community; there's the town, city, or county; there's the state, the nation, and country; and finally at the opposite extreme of the individual there's the world - all of society. It simply refers to a group of people who come from a certain culture or country, and is usually associated with having a common language and being in a certain region or territory.

Democracy simply means rule by the people.

What I'm not a fan of is socialism in general, regardless of the version. There's even libertarian socialism, and I identify as libertarian, but I don't identify with or support libertarian socialism.

The problem with socialism is that denies the individual or the importance of an individual to be an individual, someone distinct from everyone else. Without the individuals, there is no society.
 
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How does Social Security "den(y) the individual or the importance of an individual to be an individual, someone distinct from everyone else"

How would high rates of senior poverty make this a better world?
 
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The probem with Socialism is simply that it never has been socialism. It has always morphed into something else. It will only work if the entire world is socialist. There's always gonna be someone somewhere who will come looking for what you have. There's never been a socialist/communist govt that hasn't turned into a dictatorship with a "Leader for life" regime at its head. China got close but they're turning more toward a free market operation daily.
 
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How does Social Security "den(y) the individual or the importance of an individual to be an individual, someone distinct from everyone else"

How would high rates of senior poverty make this a better world?
It steals resorces from the young and gives it to the old.

Want to have a retirement here's a hint.... plan for it, have children. Don't be a shithead to them. Pay off your home. Don't get divorced and remarried every couple of years. Goddamn vampire generation.
 
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It steals resorces from the young and gives it to the old.

Want to have a retirement here's a hint.... plan for it, have children. Don't be a shithead to them. Pay off your home. Don't get divorced and remarried every couple of years. Goddamn vampire generation.
Damned spoiled, whiny snots. :cool:
 

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The probem with Socialism is simply that it never has been socialism. It has always morphed into something else. It will only work if the entire world is socialist. There's always gonna be someone somewhere who will come looking for what you have. There's never been a socialist/communist govt that hasn't turned into a dictatorship with a "Leader for life" regime at its head. China got close but they're turning more toward a free market operation daily.
Xi is leader for life.

China's Xi allowed to remain 'president for life' as term limits removed

A free-market dictator? :)

Just curious, what would you call Russia's "-ism"? I have a bet going with my Russian-born wife that I believe Putin won't step down ever. She thinks he will.
 
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It steals resorces from the young and gives it to the old.

Want to have a retirement here's a hint.... plan for it, have children. Don't be a shithead to them. Pay off your home. Don't get divorced and remarried every couple of years. Goddamn vampire generation.
Nice advice, when you turn 70, fill us in on how you did.

OK, so how do you transition out of it?
A lot of people have planned on Social Security as part of their retirement.
Maybe if your generation wants to pay the Social Security tax, but renounces all the benefits, the next generation could be spared.
At least the senior poverty of your generation would seem noble...from the distance.

Life happens, take away Social Security and you'd have a lot of senior poverty.
 
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Nice advice, when you turn 70, fill us in on how you did.

OK, so how do you transition out of it?
A lot of people have planned on Social Security as part of their retirement.
Maybe if your generation wants to pay the Social Security tax, but renounces all the benefits, the next generation could be spared.
At least the senior poverty of your generation would seem noble...from the distance.

Life happens, take away Social Security and you'd have a lot of senior poverty.

Make it optional. Allow people to opt out now and have what they have contributed returned but relinquish the match by employers.

You can't take it away from people who have contributed to it all their lives but to force a new generation into it is wrong.

Set a cutoff for signing up... something like 30-35.

If its good it will survive the open market. If its bad it will go away.
 
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Make it optional. Allow people to opt out now and have what they have contributed returned but relinquish the match by employers.

You can't take it away from people who have contributed to it all their lives but to force a new generation into it is wrong.

Set a cutoff for signing up... something like 30-35.

If its good it will survive the open market. If its bad it will go away.
Why tamper with something that works so well for Americans? Pity the politician who screws with it.

Social Security is the Most Effective Anti-Poverty Program in the U.S., In One Chart
 
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