Was Communism really all bad?

Sep 2018
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Yes it is but you're talking about the U.S. helping Syrian Kurds and avoiding the argument about whether communism is bad or not.
i will not avoid that then, i think there were terrible crimes committed by communism an great acheivments, kind of like the usa we enslaved blacks killed milions of them, wiped out native americans millios of them, starved and mistreated immigrants in factories, millions of them, who has the better record or the worse? eh?
 
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#22
I take two positions:

1. The concept of communism at it's foundation is a good thing. There's an entity responsible for providing food, shelter, healthcare and an overall liveliness for all citizens. That, at it's foundation, is good.
2. The execution of communism has never been nor will it ever be a good thing. No one person in the history of all politics has said, "You know what? I need less power. I need less money." So unless we can come up with a system the mitigates an elected official's ability to take more and more power and more and more money, I'm going to call BS on this.
the secret to life is balance and moderation that is why i am a moderately liberal socialist Liberal socialism - Wikipedia
 
Feb 2019
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i will not avoid that then, i think there were terrible crimes committed by communism an great acheivments, kind of like the usa we enslaved blacks killed milions of them, wiped out native americans millios of them, starved and mistreated immigrants in factories, millions of them, who has the better record or the worse? eh?
So you are saying that the start of a country determines how good it is? Rome was built on slaves but it was still a fabulous nation. The U.S. was built on terrible deeds of racism and mass slaughter but no one will deny the equality it provides nor the amazing government which shelters uncounted millions. Communist nations started bad and stayed bad. Hunger and slaughter turned to dictatorship and hunger and slaughter.
 
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The worst part of the communism is that it substitutes natural hierarchies with arbitrary ones. Sometimes I actually agree with Jordan Peterson, every collection of organisms naturally develops a hierarchy, so trying to abolish it is an illusion.
 
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So you are saying that the start of a country determines how good it is? Rome was built on slaves but it was still a fabulous nation. The U.S. was built on terrible deeds of racism and mass slaughter but no one will deny the equality it provides nor the amazing government which shelters uncounted millions. Communist nations started bad and stayed bad. Hunger and slaughter turned to dictatorship and hunger and slaughter.
oh no communist nations had great achievments remember sputnik? they defested hitler? rapid induistrialization, rmember russia was alays far far behind western europe they caught up under stalin
 
Sep 2018
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The worst part of the communism is that it substitutes natural hierarchies with arbitrary ones. Sometimes I actually agree with Jordan Peterson, every collection of organisms naturally develops a hierarchy, so trying to abolish it is an illusion.
society is evolving and we do not except your "natural heirchy and idf we have to kill all of you than we will, i mean hypoctheticaly in the future.. in an abstract theretical mass genocide , i'm alowed to say that Brandenburg v. Ohio - Wikipedia
The three distinct elements of this test (intent, imminence, and likelihood) have distinct precedential lineages.

Judge Learned Hand was possibly the first judge to advocate the intent standard, in Masses Publishing Co. v. Patten,[13] reasoning that "f one stops short of urging upon others that it is their duty or their interest to resist the law, it seems to me one should not be held to have attempted to cause its violation". The Brandenburg intent standard is more speech-protective than Hand's formulation, which contained no temporal element.

The imminence element was a departure from earlier rulings. Brandenburg did not explicitly overrule the bad tendency test, but it appears that after Brandenburg, the test is de facto overruled. The Brandenburg test effectively made the time element of the clear and present danger test more defined and more rigorous.
 
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oh no communist nations had great achievments remember sputnik? they defested hitler? rapid induistrialization, rmember russia was alays far far behind western europe they caught up under stalin
Yes but the rest of that was hunger, death, dictatorship and terrible economy (basically non existent). They started good but stayed bad for the rest of their short existences.
 
Jun 2018
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#28
society is evolving and we do not except your "natural heirchy and idf we have to kill all of you than we will, i mean hypoctheticaly in the future.. in an abstract theretical mass genocide
Yep, that's what I'm talking about. Mass murder is a built-in feature and not very desirable. You never know on which side of the gun barrels you will end up. Don't assume you won't be the kilee

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