Was the Ark possible? Or is it a fairy tale?

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Ah. Which kind of know it all are you then? As an equal opportunity critic of the fundamentalist theists and the atheists (to be fair, you seem harder on the atheists), you must be a newer, more sophisticated breed of know it all! I am intruiged. Teach me your ways!

I am busting your chops a bit because of your bizarre use of pronouns and your rant about technology and progress doesn't resemble my position at all, so throwing that at me was surreal. I could not care less about disproving Noah's Ark.

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I'm fully aware that my complaints about technology and humanist supremacism don't resemble your positions! And they don't resemble many other people's either, because most people take modern culture and ways of living for granted, and can't think past making slight reforms or adjustments on the way things are now.

So, if you're offended that my pov is look at yourself and what you're doing, before finding fault with what others believe, that's tough! There are reasons to challenge belief systems..especially in the realm of politics, but I get irritated and then totally fed up with the smug, supremacist thinking of so many who think they've got it all figured out now.
 
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I'm fully aware that my complaints about technology and humanist supremacism don't resemble your positions! And they don't resemble many other people's either, because most people take modern culture and ways of living for granted, and can't think past making slight reforms or adjustments on the way things are now.

So, if you're offended that my pov is look at yourself and what you're doing, before finding fault with what others believe, that's tough! There are reasons to challenge belief systems..especially in the realm of politics, but I get irritated and then totally fed up with the smug, supremacist thinking of so many who think they've got it all figured out now.
You misunderstand me and persist in doing so. Your caricature of the atheist position bears no resemblance to my position and yet you rant to me about 'you evangelical atheists'. Sloppy use of pronouns at the very least. But your smug rejoiner tells me you are sure you know my position without asking.

So again: what kind of know it all are you?

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You misunderstand me and persist in doing so. Your caricature of the atheist position bears no resemblance to my position and yet you rant to me about 'you evangelical atheists'. Sloppy use of pronouns at the very least. But your smug rejoiner tells me you are sure you know my position without asking.

So again: what kind of know it all are you?

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Well, you certainly seem to be offended that someone is suggesting that atheist-humanists don't sit on a perch looking down and correcting everyone else!
Back in the early 2000's I was a Dawkins or Harris-like evangelical atheist, when I believed atheism or non-theism was or could be an organizing principle to build a movement around. I joined a local atheist meetup group, but noticed quickly that it never went beyond the handful of misfits who would show up (or not), have a few drinks, but never get around to making it anything productive. No doubt because atheists can be Marxists, socialists, liberal capitalists, conservatives, fascists or libertarians. So, to keep a group of atheists all on the same page, you have to exaggerate the harms of religious belief and the benefits of atheism!
 
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Well, you certainly seem to be offended that someone is suggesting that atheist-humanists don't sit on a perch looking down and correcting everyone else!
Back in the early 2000's I was a Dawkins or Harris-like evangelical atheist, when I believed atheism or non-theism was or could be an organizing principle to build a movement around. I joined a local atheist meetup group, but noticed quickly that it never went beyond the handful of misfits who would show up (or not), have a few drinks, but never get around to making it anything productive. No doubt because atheists can be Marxists, socialists, liberal capitalists, conservatives, fascists or libertarians. So, to keep a group of atheists all on the same page, you have to exaggerate the harms of religious belief and the benefits of atheism!
No, I am not offended. I am amused at your rant about know-it-alls while you tell me everything wrong with me when you don't know me or my position on environment, whether I think technology could or will save us, etc.

You are, in fact, acting like the know-it-alls you are criticizing. That's what slays me. Especially that you are doing while telling me to look in a mirror. Comedy gold, my friend.

If you want to criticize my actual position, you should ask what it is first. Otherwise you are being what you claim to be fed up with.

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Stories? Bible stories?....in the Bible, saying it was war?


Noah never complained..... in the stories in the bible. But his life was much more extensive than that. We'll never know the rest of the story.
When will you realize that the writers were just writing fictional stories?

There are references to stories 286 times in various versions of the Bible = BibleGateway - Keyword Search: story

Have you bothered to compare and contrast Noah to all of the other main characters in the biblical stories? He is the only one who did exactly as he was told to do without complaining and whining. Even Jesus whined.
 
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Of what relevance to Noah's Ark does any of this have? You cannot stay on point. You figure if I can stay on point with Noah's Ark , you'll trip me up somewhere down the road with some issue not related thereto and prove how superior you are in thinking ability. Is you life really that shallow? You are so insecure you're actually wanting to debate the entire Bible on the Internet, in a limited venue, with an audience wherein you have home court advantage?

Just because you look at some version of history doesn't make it a fairy tale. At the end of the day, your version has a major flaw that you cannot explain away no matter how much you sugar coat it. You cannot get something out of nothing.
I thought that I read one of your comments in which you said that you taught the Bible to your congregation? If so, why are you so reluctant to discuss the stories? The stories are just ways that the writers used to illustrate compliance and deviation to the real Ten Commandments in Exodus 34:11-28. The Noah story is about complete obedience and total loyalty to the God character. If he tells you to do a seemingly impossible task you don't whine about it like Moses, Saul, or Jonah did but you get to work and get it done even if you have no clue as to how you will do it. That is the essential lesson of the Bible. Constant talk about the reality of the flood is just bull shit. It never happened and even the Bible says that it never happened.

In plain language, only stupid ignorant people believe in Noah's water flood.
 
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But see, these literal details are unimportant to me. I focus on the underlying spiritual message that remains hidden to most.
The underlying spiritual message that remains hidden to most is that when the biblical God tells a person to do something the person is expected to do it with complete obedience and total loyalty. When Saul showed mercy it pissed the chief priest and God character off because Saul did not do as he had been told to do, which was to kill everything and everyone. Jesus said that if people don't show him complete obedience and total loyalty he will have his minions toss their asses into the fire.

Frankly, I don't think there is anything spiritual about any of it. It is just about a narcissistic power trip by the Boss (imaginary deity, Pope, priest, national leader, family father, etc.).
 
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When the best you can do is get on a site where the majority agree with you and call those that disagree with you names and try to intimidate them, it is YOU with the emotional problem. You initiate the pissing match, but when someone counter punches, you whine about it.

This thread is about Noah's Ark. If you have a personal issue you want to argue over, try PM. In post # 15, your first post aimed at me, you insinuated that I was a liar. And you mean to tell us you're so fucking stupid that you don't see that as an insult? You have issues that are beyond a layman's ability to fix. I would recommend a psychologist. Other than that dude, if you have a personal issue with me, you should take it to PM and let's drop the talk not related to Noah's Ark. I don't argue with idiots. They only drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
In Post #226 the writer made an astute observation that the Noah story revolves around the Israelites/Hebrews/Jews having sex with Gentile women. So the Noah story is an illustration of the First Commandment language in Exodus 34:11-16, specifically verse 16 (CEB) = "16 Then you might go and choose their daughters as wives for your sons. And their daughters who prostitute themselves with their gods might lead your sons to prostitute themselves with their gods."

The flood is the war story about wiping out the people as described in Exodus 34:11-15 (CEB) = "11 Be sure to obey what I command you today. I’m about to drive out before you the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites. 12 Be careful that you don’t make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land to which you are going, or it will become a dangerous trap for you. 13 You must tear down their altars, smash their sacred stone pillars, and cut down their sacred poles. 14 You must not bow down to another god, because the Lord is passionate: the Lord’s name means “a passionate God.” 15 Don’t make a covenant with those who live in the land. When they prostitute themselves with their gods and sacrifice to their gods, they may invite you and you may end up eating some of the sacrifice."

Remember, all of the biblical stories are based on one or more of the real Ten Commandments found in Exodus 34:11-16 and the miracles are based on Exodus 34:10. So, when you analyze the stories identify the relevant Commandment.