We started the Afghan War?

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Subjective nonsense. What act did the US commit that justified the murder of 3,000 people on 9/11?
If people paid attention to what I post, it would not be necessary for me to repeat and repeat myself. Where to begin? With the Eisenhower administration and using the CIA to overthrow the ruler of Iran and install a brutal tyrant as the US also did in South America. How about the constant US engagement in the conflict between Iran and Iraq? How about the US supplying and training the "enemy" when it was in a war with the USSR? How about the Reagan administration buying off mid-east leaders by granting them arms, escalating the likelihood of war and the damage that would be done with these weapons. Do you live with your head in the sand? I am tired of repeating myself, make an effort to get informed.
 
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Are you also saying that 9/11 was our fault?
Duh, people don't attack people without a reason. When are you going to make an effort to know why many Muslims perceive the US as Satan. We may not agree with that point of view, but I sure as hell would not go into another country and disrespect their customs and laws, as US citizens have done. We have behaved terribly and have given the "enemy" fuel for uniting against US. This is the stupidest thing on earth considering how Islam is not that different from Christianity and how the world would be a better place if they all acted on what is good in their holy book and stopped making war on each other. What was the name of our president who declared them "evil"? That was bull shit and you seem to believe it.
 
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Given his determination to link Afghanistan to the 9-11 perpetrators without evidence that the government was involved,
I am curious if @NatMorton considers the torture and killing of American Otto Warmbier by North Koreans to be an act of war against the US?
 
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Given his determination to link Afghanistan to the 9-11 perpetrators without evidence that the government was involved,
Zowie. Only you and the Taliban maintain there was no connection.

"The attacks were conceived by Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who first presented it to Osama bin Laden in 1996.[68] At that time, bin Laden and al-Qaeda were in a period of transition, having just relocated back to Afghanistan from Sudan.[69] The 1998 African Embassy bombings and bin Laden's February 1998 fatwā marked a turning point of al-Qaeda's terrorist operation,[70] as bin Laden became intent on attacking the United States.

In late 1998 or early 1999, bin Laden gave approval for Mohammed to go forward with organizing the plot.[71] Mohammed, bin Laden, and bin Laden's deputy Mohammed Atef held a series of meetings in early 1999.[72] Atef provided operational support, including target selections and helping arrange travel for the hijackers.[69] Bin Laden overruled Mohammed, rejecting potential targets such as the U.S. Bank Tower in Los Angeles for lack of time.[73][74]

Bin Laden provided leadership and financial support, and was involved in selecting participants.[75] He initially selected Nawaf al-Hazmi and Khalid al-Mihdhar, both experienced jihadists who had fought in Bosnia. Hazmi and Mihdhar arrived in the United States in mid-January 2000. In early 2000, Hazmi and Mihdhar took flying lessons in San Diego, California, but both spoke little English, performed poorly in flying lessons, and eventually served as secondary – or "muscle" – hijackers.[76][77]

In late 1999, a group of men from Hamburg, Germany arrived in Afghanistan; the group included Mohamed Atta, Marwan al-Shehhi, Ziad Jarrah, and Ramzi bin al-Shibh.[78]"
September 11 attacks - Wikipedia
 
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Zowie. Only you and the Taliban maintain there was no connection.

"The attacks were conceived by Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who first presented it to Osama bin Laden in 1996.[68] At that time, bin Laden and al-Qaeda were in a period of transition, having just relocated back to Afghanistan from Sudan.[69] The 1998 African Embassy bombings and bin Laden's February 1998 fatwā marked a turning point of al-Qaeda's terrorist operation,[70] as bin Laden became intent on attacking the United States.

In late 1998 or early 1999, bin Laden gave approval for Mohammed to go forward with organizing the plot.[71] Mohammed, bin Laden, and bin Laden's deputy Mohammed Atef held a series of meetings in early 1999.[72] Atef provided operational support, including target selections and helping arrange travel for the hijackers.[69] Bin Laden overruled Mohammed, rejecting potential targets such as the U.S. Bank Tower in Los Angeles for lack of time.[73][74]

Bin Laden provided leadership and financial support, and was involved in selecting participants.[75] He initially selected Nawaf al-Hazmi and Khalid al-Mihdhar, both experienced jihadists who had fought in Bosnia. Hazmi and Mihdhar arrived in the United States in mid-January 2000. In early 2000, Hazmi and Mihdhar took flying lessons in San Diego, California, but both spoke little English, performed poorly in flying lessons, and eventually served as secondary – or "muscle" – hijackers.[76][77]

In late 1999, a group of men from Hamburg, Germany arrived in Afghanistan; the group included Mohamed Atta, Marwan al-Shehhi, Ziad Jarrah, and Ramzi bin al-Shibh.[78]"
September 11 attacks - Wikipedia
You still seem unable to recognize that the acts of individuals who happened to have lived in Afghanistan do not represent the actions of the Afghanistan government. Why is that a difficult concept for you?

If you want to link deaths of Americans to a government, why do you dismiss the Korean example, which seems like a good example?
You might also want to consider the death of Khashoggi as a state sponsored act of terrorism. Should we invade Saudi Arabia or Korea?
How about the act of Richard Reid (the shoe bomber) who was a British citizen... should we invade Britain?
 
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You still seem unable to recognize that the acts of individuals who happened to have lived in Afghanistan do not represent the actions of the Afghanistan government. Why is that a difficult concept for you?
The Taliban was the de facto government for most of what was called "Afghanistan" at that time. To pretend otherwise is foolish.
 
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From Pete Buttigieg in this past week's debate: "If there’s one thing we’ve learned about Afghanistan, from Afghanistan, it’s that the best way not to be caught up in endless war is to avoid starting one in the first place.”

It's every bit as blithering as the nonsense that comes out of Trump's mouth.

Well, if the zionists owning the US could not be considered as "US", then yeah, by all means.
 
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The Taliban was the de facto government for most of what was called "Afghanistan" at that time. To pretend otherwise is foolish.
You are equating "Taliban" with "Al Qaeda" as though "Taliban" was the legitimate controlling government entity that employed Al Qaeda. Given the dysfunctional nature of the Afghanistan society and government after decades of fighting and tribal warfare, Al Qaeda was just part of the chaos throughout the country.

Al Qaeda was not part of some Afghanistan government policy. If Bin Laden had been living in France or Germany, do you think that we would have invaded? The US took unilateral organized military action against Afghanistan and people who were NOT involved--- that is a war initiated by the US.
 
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You are equating "Taliban" with "Al Qaeda" as though "Taliban" was the legitimate controlling government entity that employed Al Qaeda. Given the dysfunctional nature of the Afghanistan society and government after decades of fighting and tribal warfare, Al Qaeda was just part of the chaos throughout the country.

Al Qaeda was not part of some Afghanistan government policy. If Bin Laden had been living in France or Germany, do you think that we would have invaded? The US took unilateral organized military action against Afghanistan and people who were NOT involved--- that is a war initiated by the US.
We'll never agree, Biff. If you can't recognize the fact that the Taliban was aiding and harboring al Qaeda then you're not willing to discuss reality and thus there's no point.