What Attracts Some Women to Conservatism?

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Dictatorships only exist because people want them?
Oppression only exists because people choose it?
inertia exists in social and political systems that is not necessarily a reflection of the best or majority opinion.

I am sure there is a phrase for this sort of self-justifying argument you so often like to make. If not, perhaps it should be called Panglossian libertarianism or fatalistic uniformism or political pantheism....
What dictatorship are you talking about, Biff?
 
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Wow! How has this thread been able to linger on this forum for days? Sexist posts are against the stated forum rules.

What Attracts Some Women to Conservatism? - this (the very title of this thread) itself is male chauvinism & something doesn't get any more sexist than male chauvinism.
Neil why don't you explain what you think is a "sexist" post as I do not think you have the slightest idea whatsoever what the concept means ?
 
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What dictatorship are you talking about, Biff?
You assert that political power is defined by the opinions of the majority. I am trying to explain to you that political systems exist that do not reflect the needs, opinions, or voting power of the majority for many reasons.

Rather than discussing the absence of political effectiveness of women's advocacy, I want you to explain how conservatism has promoted women's rights.
 
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Millions of women vote Republican; how come it's chauvinism to ask why?
Sounds an awful lot like a bandwagon fallacy to insinuate that because millions of women vote Republican, it is therefore not chauvinism to ask why.

There's a little more to the way the title's worded than simply being about asking why are women doing something. Look at one of the words being used: attracts. It makes it sound as though the things women do are driven by emotion, rather than being intelligent, capable of making informed decisions, critical thinking, etc.

Imagine what would happen if someone started a thread called what attracts some women to socialism? :think:

Maybe someone already has & it got taken down for violating forum rules. o_O
 
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Neil why don't you explain what you think is a "sexist" post
Definition of the word "sexist" (from Google): characterized by or showing prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex.

I think that a sexist post is one that is characterized by or showing prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex.

as I do not think you have the slightest idea whatsoever what the concept means ?
Explain - why do you not think I have the slightest idea whatsoever what the concept means?
 
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Definition of the word "sexist" (from Google): characterized by or showing prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex.

I think that a sexist post is one that is characterized by or showing prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex.


Explain - why do you not think I have the slightest idea whatsoever what the concept means?
So where does this topic demonstrate "stereotyping, discrimination, or prejudice against women"? To be "sexist" the comments need to be about ALL women. I am specifically discussing the peculiar and counter-beneficial actions of some women to support politics that do not benefit women as a group.

Because you seem to think that any discussion of some women is "sexist", you demonstrate that you do not understand the term refers to expressions of global criticism of women, solely because they are women. This topic is not about "all" women--- it is about a specific subset of women who seem uninterested in specific political issues that apply to them. Why would they be so disinterested or, in some cases, actually oppose those issues?
 
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Sounds an awful lot like a bandwagon fallacy to insinuate that because millions of women vote Republican, it is therefore not chauvinism to ask why.

There's a little more to the way the title's worded than simply being about asking why are women doing something. Look at one of the words being used: attracts. It makes it sound as though the things women do are driven by emotion, rather than being intelligent, capable of making informed decisions, critical thinking, etc.

Imagine what would happen if someone started a thread called what attracts some women to socialism?:think:

Maybe someone already has & it got taken down for violating forum rules. o_O
You really seem to be confused.
One can discuss why some elderly do not support Social Security-- that is not an "age discrimination" discussion.
One can discuss why some African-Americans do not support Affirmative Action-- that is not racism
One can discuss why some catholics do not support certain church policy--- that is not anti-religious discrimination.

Every conversation about Mexican-Americans, Asians, males, females, or any other identifiable or self-identified group is necessarily an expression of prejudice or "ism".
 
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Rubbish. There's nothing chauvinistic about discussing segments of our population that vote one way or another. We've done it a thousand times: Why do Millens vote the way they do and what the trends are? Why uneducated white males voted for Trump? Why uneducated, religious white WOMEN vote for Trump? Why the black/Hispanic/Jewish/Muslim communities vote for Democrats? Why veterans/military vote for Republicans? Why corporate MEN vote for Republicans? Why teachers are Democrats? Why surgeons are Republican? We have discussed divisions by RACE, religion, gender and education.
But now you think it's prejudicial to discuss voter demographics?
I didn't say that there was anything chauvinistic about discussing segments of our population that vote one way or another, and I don't think it's prejudicial to discuss voter demographics.
 
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So where does this topic demonstrate "stereotyping, discrimination, or prejudice against women"? To be "sexist" the comments need to be about ALL women. I am specifically discussing the peculiar and counter-beneficial actions of some women to support politics that do not benefit women as a group.

Because you seem to think that any discussion of some women is "sexist", you demonstrate that you do not understand the term refers to expressions of global criticism of women, solely because they are women. This topic is not about "all" women--- it is about a specific subset of women who seem uninterested in specific political issues that apply to them. Why would they be so disinterested or, in some cases, actually oppose those issues?
It is about all women. You're suggesting that women - all women - should not be conservative; according to your way of thinking, there's something wrong with women, and it applies to all women, if any of them don't yield to your political persuasion. It's this condescending, air of superiority, "I'm doing this to help you, woman. Don't you want me to help you, you helpless woman? What's wrong with you, woman? Get back in your place, woman!" mentality that makes it male chauvinistism. You're essentially speaking down to women - all women - in a "don't be conservative, or else!" tone.
 
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You really seem to be confused.
One can discuss why some elderly do not support Social Security-- that is not an "age discrimination" discussion.
One can discuss why some African-Americans do not support Affirmative Action-- that is not racism
One can discuss why some catholics do not support certain church policy--- that is not anti-religious discrimination.

Every conversation about Mexican-Americans, Asians, males, females, or any other identifiable or self-identified group is necessarily an expression of prejudice or "ism".
They're not analogies - the title doesn't say "why some women do not support conservatism".