What does Socialized medicine look like and how does it work?

Sep 2018
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There is one system that is totally run by the government and covers everyone, if you dont like its performance you can choose to spend more and go to the private sector.. many afluent people do, but if you arent rich there is a system to care for you...
Is the NHS the world’s best health service?
The US-based Commonwealth Fund, a respected global health thinktank, last year ranked the British health system as the best of 11 well-off countries. The NHS performed better than its counterparts on fairness, ease of access and administrative efficiency, although the study acknowledged that outcomes for people with potentially fatal diseases fell short of those in western Europe and Australia.

Spending as a share of GDP is lower than in many western European peers: the government has spent just over 7 percent of GDP on public health each year over the past decade. Including private healthcare spending, the 2016 total was 9.7% of GDP - slightly higher than the OECD average. Is the NHS the world's best healthcare system?
 
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For those who are against socialized health care, consider this....we already have socialized health care and we deliver it in the most inefficient and expensive way possible. We call it Medicaid (MediCal in California).

When an uninsured person is sick and does not have access to a PCP, they end up in the emergency room where they have to be treated. The taxpayer picks up the bill.

It would be far more cost effective if taxpayers put the money up front so that people could access health care before the illness is so critical that they end up in the hospital.
 
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Says who that it's respected? I've never granted that to them. Maybe they are worthy of respect or they're not; I don't know and that's the point - that I don't know that they are indeed worthy of respect. Here's how it works; I'll determine if something is a respected entity. Once I do that & after I do that is then when I'll take their conclusion into consideration. I may never decide that any entity is worthy of my respect, and instead want to take an entirely different approach.

That's one of the problems with the Left, so instead of letting consumers determine on their own in a competitive market what's best for them, you Leftys think you can simply wave around some conclusion, from some source that you claim is respected, and that claims this or that is the best.

Since I don't know that they're trustworthy; why should I be forced to trust them? That's an absurd thing to do, to try to force anyone to trust anyone else. Again it would boil down to having to use deadly force or the threat of deadly force to make someone accept someone else's conclusion if they won't do it willingly.

Using deadly force is not consistent with health service; either you don't understand this or you failed to think this through.
 
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Says who that it's respected? I've never granted that to them. Maybe they are worthy of respect or they're not; I don't know and that's the point - that I don't know that they are indeed worthy of respect. Here's how it works; I'll determine if something is a respected entity. Once I do that & after I do that is then when I'll take their conclusion into consideration. I may never decide that any entity is worthy of my respect, and instead want to take an entirely different approach.

That's one of the problems with the Left, so instead of letting consumers determine on their own in a competitive market what's best for them, you Leftys think you can simply wave around some conclusion, from some source that you claim is respected, and that claims this or that is the best.

Since I don't know that they're trustworthy; why should I be forced to trust them? That's an absurd thing to do, to try to force anyone to trust anyone else. Again it would boil down to having to use deadly force or the threat of deadly force to make someone accept someone else's conclusion if they won't do it willingly.

Using deadly force is not consistent with health service; either you don't understand this or you failed to think this through.
people are too stupid to decide for themselves
 
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There is one system that is totally run by the government
This is not the same as a single-payer healthcare system

When looking at this topic on a sliding scale, there's 100% capitalism on one side, 100% socialism on the other side, and a WIDE variety of options in the middle. When it comes to single-payer healthcare, most on the left are arguing for something in the middle. Is the argument to have everyone covered? Yes. Is the argument to have a 100% government run healthcare? No (although Trump did alu)

A single payer system largely requires a certain tax that everyone contributes to, 100% coverage for those who contribute to said system, and treatments are performed by private hospitals which receive ADDITIONAL payments for treatments greater than the average treatment. The government and the private sector work together to set those guidlines.

Take Obamacare for example. Many on the right described it as a pure socialist program. Yet you know what happened to private insurance companies and private hospitals when Obamacare was introduced? They got bigger. You cannot institute a pure socialist program and have private organizations get richer. Those two things cannot happen. But you know what it means? You CAN introduce socialistic programs that still allow the input and benefit to the private sector.
 
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This is not the same as a single-payer healthcare system

When looking at this topic on a sliding scale, there's 100% capitalism on one side, 100% socialism on the other side, and a WIDE variety of options in the middle. When it comes to single-payer healthcare, most on the left are arguing for something in the middle. Is the argument to have everyone covered? Yes. Is the argument to have a 100% government run healthcare? No (although Trump did alu)

A single payer system largely requires a certain tax that everyone contributes to, 100% coverage for those who contribute to said system, and treatments are performed by private hospitals which receive ADDITIONAL payments for treatments greater than the average treatment. The government and the private sector work together to set those guidlines.

Take Obamacare for example. Many on the right described it as a pure socialist program. Yet you know what happened to private insurance companies and private hospitals when Obamacare was introduced? They got bigger. You cannot institute a pure socialist program and have private organizations get richer. Those two things cannot happen. But you know what it means? You CAN introduce socialistic programs that still allow the input and benefit to the private sector.
exactly
 
Dec 2018
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What does socialized medicine look like and how does it effect persons? Socialized medicine seeks to remove 'thorns' from lives. What are thorns?

Thorns are things which, #1 come from lies.

Example?

Sure. Health and medicine.


Health and life. Activities tending to 'life'. What is 'life'?

Life is the person's time spent 'living/being 'alive''.


From rising up in the morning to laying down unto 'sleep(ing)' the person has a 'say' in/to their 'life'. While sleeping, the person does not necessarily have.


So what is socialized medicine and health and life?


What are the 'thorns' that a person might receive into/unto their selves, to their lives, that might require socialized medicine?


Does this 'jibe' with the rest of this 'thread'?


What was/is the 'title' to this thread again?


Things which come from 'lies' are as thorns that persons might need 'socialized medicine'.
 
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move to Canada and find out.
move to Australia and find out.
move to Britian and find out.
move to Europe and find out.
move to America and never find out.
 
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move to Canada and find out.
move to Australia and find out.
move to Britian and find out.
move to Europe and find out.
move to America and never find out.
Other countries provide health care for far less cost and have better outcomes than the United States. We could learn a lot from them.
 
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