What would your ideal voting system look like

Dec 2018
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We can all agree the US voting system is not perfect. Chances are there is no such thing as perfect system.

But what would your system look like? Popular vote or electoral college vote? Voter ID required at the time of vote or at the time of registration? Online, in-person, or mail in vote?

Have at it.

I'll post my ideal situation but I want to see if there are any ideas I want to borrow/steal.
 
Sep 2018
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How Proportional Representation Elections Work - FairVote if a party gets 5% it gets 5% of the seats
How Proportional Representation Elections Work
We in the United States are used to single-member district, winner-take-all style of elections. We've all grown up with a system where we elect members of our legislatures one at a time in small districts, with the winner being the candidate with the most votes. This system seems so "natural" that proportional representation (PR) elections may at first appear strange to us. Adding to the potential confusion is the fact that there are several different kinds of PR systems in use around the world. But in reality, the principles underlying proportional representation systems are very straightforward and all of the systems are easy to use.

The Basic Principles of PR
The basic principles underlying proportional representation elections are that all voters deserve representation and that all political groups in society deserve to be represented in our legislatures in proportion to their strength in the electorate. In other words, everyone should have the right to fair representation.

In order to achieve this fair representation, all PR systems have certain basic characteristics — characteristics that set them apart from our current election system. First, they all use multi-member districts. Instead of electing one person in each district, as we do here in the U.S., several people are elected. These multi-member districts may be relatively small, with only three or four members, or they may be larger, with ten or more members. (The figures below illustrate districting maps for a hypothetical 50-person state senate. Figure 1 shows 50 single-seat districts, as is common with plurality-majority systems. Figure 2 depicts 10 five-seat PR districts, and Figure 3 shows 5 ten-seat PR districts.)

Figure 1 Figure 2 Figure 3


The second characteristic of all PR systems is that they divide up the seats in these multi-member districts according to the proportion of votes received by the various parties or groups running candidates. Thus if the candidates of a party win 40% of the vote in a 10 member district, they receive four of the ten seats — or 40% of the seats. If another party wins 20% of the vote, they get two seats, and so on.

That, in a nutshell, is how proportional representation works. But while all PR systems have the same goals of ensuring that all voters receive some representation and that all groups are represented fairly, various systems do have different ways of achieving these goals. So it is helpful to see how different kinds of PR systems work in practice.



Types of PR Systems How Proportional Representation Elections Work - FairVote
 
Jun 2018
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1. Electoral college

2. ID that verifies citizenship required for registration and to cast a ballot.

3. In person or absentee ballot only no mail in or online ballot.

4. No ballot harvesting allowed.

5. Canvassing to urge people to vote allowed but only by sworn S Govt paid nonpartisan canvassers using all party voter rolls. This is necessary to prevent the party in power from creating voting systems that favor their party. AKA California.

6. Voter rolls purged after two elections are missed with mail notifications after first election is missed. All invalid addressed notifications are to be returned and the voter immediately purged.

7. I would like to see these standards made a mandatory Federal standard along with the elimination of the mess of different systems, paper ballot

I can hear the chorus of libs whining that if just one voter is denied........... We've created too many opportunities for fraud by loosening up the systems to the point that fraud can't be seen even when it happens.

We also need to call a time certain that an election is over. Stop the process of counting votes until the "right" party wins.
 
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Dec 2018
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2. ID that verifies citizenship required for registration and to cast a ballot.
Can I ask for clarification on this? What would you consider an acceptable form of ID? For example, in Texas a person cannot vote using a public school ID (which has a picture), but can vote using a concealed and carry ID (which does NOT have a picture). What requirements do you have for acceptable IDs? Asking honestly.
 
Jun 2018
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How Proportional Representation Elections Work - FairVote if a party gets 5% it gets 5% of the seats
How Proportional Representation Elections Work
We in the United States are used to single-member district, winner-take-all style of elections. We've all grown up with a system where we elect members of our legislatures one at a time in small districts, with the winner being the candidate with the most votes. This system seems so "natural" that proportional representation (PR) elections may at first appear strange to us. Adding to the potential confusion is the fact that there are several different kinds of PR systems in use around the world. But in reality, the principles underlying proportional representation systems are very straightforward and all of the systems are easy to use.

The Basic Principles of PR
The basic principles underlying proportional representation elections are that all voters deserve representation and that all political groups in society deserve to be represented in our legislatures in proportion to their strength in the electorate. In other words, everyone should have the right to fair representation.

In order to achieve this fair representation, all PR systems have certain basic characteristics — characteristics that set them apart from our current election system. First, they all use multi-member districts. Instead of electing one person in each district, as we do here in the U.S., several people are elected. These multi-member districts may be relatively small, with only three or four members, or they may be larger, with ten or more members. (The figures below illustrate districting maps for a hypothetical 50-person state senate. Figure 1 shows 50 single-seat districts, as is common with plurality-majority systems. Figure 2 depicts 10 five-seat PR districts, and Figure 3 shows 5 ten-seat PR districts.)

Figure 1 Figure 2 Figure 3


The second characteristic of all PR systems is that they divide up the seats in these multi-member districts according to the proportion of votes received by the various parties or groups running candidates. Thus if the candidates of a party win 40% of the vote in a 10 member district, they receive four of the ten seats — or 40% of the seats. If another party wins 20% of the vote, they get two seats, and so on.

That, in a nutshell, is how proportional representation works. But while all PR systems have the same goals of ensuring that all voters receive some representation and that all groups are represented fairly, various systems do have different ways of achieving these goals. So it is helpful to see how different kinds of PR systems work in practice.



Types of PR Systems How Proportional Representation Elections Work - FairVote
Sounds good, but smells bad, like a Parliamentary system. If applied here we'd see a Black party, a brown party an Oriental party, a Jewish party, a conservative party, a Christian party, a Gay party, a liberal party, a socialist party, a communist party, a labor party and any number of others as the little stragglers come out. In the end the little parties would form coalitions seeking power in numbers selling their power to the highest bidder. You'd wind up with something similar t what we have now. Two large coalitions determining what our govt will be. Why change it?
 
Sep 2018
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Sounds good, but smells bad, like a Parliamentary system. If applied here we'd see a Black party, a brown party an Oriental party, a Jewish party, a conservative party, a Christian party, a Gay party, a liberal party, a socialist party, a communist party, a labor party and any number of others as the little stragglers come out. In the end the little parties would form coalitions seeking power in numbers selling their power to the highest bidder. You'd wind up with something similar t what we have now. Two large coalitions determining what our govt will be. Why change it?
i want a parlamentary system we have one back home and it works fine, if africans want their own party let them let women have their own party , how is that bad?
 
Jun 2018
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Can I ask for clarification on this? What would you consider an acceptable form of ID? For example, in Texas a person cannot vote using a public school ID (which has a picture), but can vote using a concealed and carry ID (which does NOT have a picture). What requirements do you have for acceptable IDs? Asking honestly.
Responding honestly too. first a Federal standard is required. There will be challenges to that but Homeland security has already required the changes in driver licenses that now have uniform info in them and are used for ID at airports etc. As I understand it, the states are required to issue ID only cards that are compliant as well. Proof of citizenship is a requirement to make any system work without a window for fraud.
 
Jun 2018
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i want a parlamentary system we have one back home and it works fine, if africans want their own party let them let women have their own party , how is that bad?
I know you want to make us into a European country, we are not. I do not agree with any shift to a parliamentary system.
All the groups can form their own parties under the current system.
 
Dec 2018
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First a Federal standard is required. There will be challenges to that but Homeland security has already required the changes in driver licenses that now have uniform info in them and are used for ID at airports etc. .
I'm pretty sure you're correct. I think the new uniform IDs are required for everyone by 2020, and my licence expires in 2022. You think they'll extend the expiration date or should I just grab my ankles now and accept my fate?:zany:

Thanks for the clarification
 

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