What's Going On: Explaining Ideologies

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I didn’t say there were no racists or Nazis before 2008. What I said was that half the country suddenly became racists and Nazis after they failed to vote Democrat in 2016. As I said, it’s low information partisan politics. :)
You wrote:

In 2008 the population voted in Obama and there were no racists or Nazis.

so in the future you should let your designated representative speak for you in an effort not to appear the prevaricator..
 
May 2018
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#42
Look, some people are stupid and that’s a fact. Other people have an agenda, but the vast majority are simply indoctrinated into a cult like mentality. I think Trump summed it up when he once remarked along the lines of he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and get away with it. Even he was amazed at the gullibility of people.

In Europe people know what extremism and indoctrination is, they’ve seen all this utopia building before, but in the US it’s still a surprise to many that their respective partisan ‘Gods’ have discovered something new. I’m looking to the 2020 election when no one will win because if the Democrats win it will be because of voter fraud and if the Republicans win, it was the Russians who interfered. You look back and remember the previous great names of American politics and they’ve been replaced by a ‘Yes we can’ homosexual communist. Obama was a communist? What’s cultural Marxism? People who voted against Clinton are Nazis and racists … It’s Alice in Wonderland stuff. It's not a surprise to me.
"Homosexual communist"? You're completely delusional. This is extreme even for a crazy right winger. Buh-bye, off to ignore you go. I do not have time for people like you.
 
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#44
What’s Going On

Just a brief explanation of what’s happening around you, which might make our millennial friends throw up their arms in feigned outrage, but is common knowledge outside liberal circles and the millennial age group. I’m not really concerned what you think of me personally, or the definitions you’ve made up for yourselves; I do political science not one line subjective opinions, deflection poster attacks, or rely on Google to explain it for me.

There are many that don’t even know what cultural Marxism is and think progressivism is progress. It’s no wonder then that many comments resemble gibberish. Let’s look at it in simple terms.

Definitions

Trump isn’t some phenomenon that’s suddenly appeared in America, he’s the nationalist reaction to cultural Marxist Obama. They’re simply opposite extremes. Despite your media induced fear and paranoia, the ice caps haven’t melted under either of them and the nuclear button hasn’t been pressed. You didn’t get your ‘spread the wealth around’ under Obama, or a MAGA second industrial revolution under Trump. Racism is a dislike of skin colour based on race and has nothing to do with a dislike of mass-immigration, which would be nationalism and the last National Socialist (Nazi) to lead a country was Hitler, not Trump. Equally, Obama was not a Messiah, nor was he ‘The Great Satan’ and Trump is not a Nazi or appointed by God, depending on which hymn sheet you’re singing from.

Cultural Marxism aka Identity Politics

Cultural Marxism arose from what is commonly known as ‘The Frankfurt School’ in Germany in the inter-war years and is a two-fold ideology set apart from others because it has no end result. Its sole purpose is to dumb down a population by removing traditional values which results in anarchy, the problems of which only the state can solve. If you substitute the traditional family unit for state dependency and alternative same sex lifestyle choice parents. If you remove patriotism by introducing open borders in which all cultures are equal. If you promote religion simply as a subjective belief with no meaning, the previous traditional society will fall apart. That’s obvious, because it’s part of what held that society together in the first place. You then get the same people cheering this on who are looking around, wondering why the consequences and trying to blame others for society falling apart.

The second purpose of cultural Marxism is the introduction of what is termed ‘political correctness.’ When people realize what’s happening, political correctness is the control mechanism which by peer pressure or law forbids criticism of the consequences and silences dissent. We can see the results of this in countries such as the UK where under the Public Order Act it’s a criminal offence to say something within the sight or hearing of minorities which might offend, or in Sweden where online criticism of mass-immigration or politicians who promote it is an offence, or in Germany where home-schooling is banned.

You’ve had eight years of Obama and nearly three of Trump. Europe has had nearly a quarter century of Liberal Fascism and we know it when we see it. You can see the beginnings of it in America in an attempt to silence free speech in campuses and the labelling of those who disagree as racists or Nazis. Just about every country in the world has illegal immigrant detention centers that contain illegal immigrants not ‘undocumented citizens’ and they are holding centers, not concentration camps.

Elsewhere, what started as a book turned into a lengthy essay and I explain in detail what cultural Marxism is; how it arose, the methodology and the consequences.

Cultural Marxism - Social Chaos

Progressivism

By the 1930s communism had got itself a bad name and details were leaking out to what was happening in the Soviet Union. H.G. Wells a leading progressive then changed the name to Liberal Fascism. After the Second World War, fascism too had got a bad name and it later changed to progressivism in the hope that people would equate the term with progress, which for tens of millions is exactly what happened.

Progressivism is an ideology, popular in America in the early 20th century and it has nothing to do with progress. You often hear of the term, ‘The 99%.’ Progressivism is the other 1% revolution and just as cultural Marxism, you can also see the visible effects of this around you. It doesn’t matter who is president, Obama or Trump, the rich got richer and the poor got poorer. The bankers, corporations and politicians aren’t the ones complaining – you are. You are the ones that funded the bail outs and you are the ones who got the food kitchens. Obama, Clinton and Sanders are all self-confessed progressives. They are all millionaires and part of the 1% elite. What are the chances of these characters spreading their own wealth around? This is progressivism and what many of you are voting for and don’t even know it. It’s a quick and interesting read. Learn from it.

The Progressive Movement

Now, before you start to unload your opinions, attack the poster and repeat parrot fashion what you heard from someone on Google let me say this. If you’re 18 and over and you don’t know what cultural Marxism or progressivism are, you’ve got major problems. It’s not my fault if you don’t know all this and I don’t get into debates with people who think their beliefs are facts. I explain and if I have time I’ll reply to genuine questions, but not to those who are clueless and trying to peddle their own fantasies and political agendas. Enjoy. :)
If you read your own linked articles fully, you would have learned that "Cultural" Marxism IS NOT Marxism!
I disagree with that first author's take - coining a term "Economic" Marxism, since Marxism was intended to be fleshed out as a comprehensive social philosophy for modern life.
Cultural Marxism....a term created as a pejorative, is not supported or promoted by any Marxists, since Marxist philosophy is based on the premise that people of all nations from all races, genders, cultures and ethnicities are part of an international working class. And that working class identity should supercede any and all other identities. This is why Marxists address each other as "comrade" and not 'brother or sister' as religious communities would. In Marxism, even male and female identity takes a backseat. And this is why cultural marxism and its overriding concerns about identity are held by wealthy and upper middle class liberals who don't have or share much economic troubles or disadvantages. Liberals with money and economic privilege are free to focus on the culture wars....just like the wealthy, privileged conservatives they do battle with!

This mistake by highly promoted conservative idealogues is a major, major reason why Jordan Peterson was eviscerated and looked like a fool when he stepped up to debate a real Marxist intellectual - Slavoj Zizek earlier in the year. Peterson revealed that he knew nothing and never read much of anything about Marxism in that debate when he started out with his usual tropes he uses against liberals conflating Marxism with Cultural Marxism!

The 2nd link is pure rubbish! It just tries to lump everything today's right doesn't like into one category. Not only are leftwing movements over the ages not the same or even in agreement on the same issues and principles, fascism is clearly a poliitical movement of the right! We can clearly see this today as people lose faith in the democratic process (for good reason) and the oligarchs who run America and international capitalism begin to fear a much larger working class of people who are noticing that meritocracy is a fraud that will not work for them or their children in the future! So, the oligarchs get behind some "strongman" they have chosen to rule and win at least a portion of the non-wealthy classes by appeals to religion, nationalism, race and ethnicity.
 
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#45
Nobody speaks for me, people either agree or disagree and the ones who disagree usually don’t have much to say on the topic.

Imagine having a conversation in which I’m trying to convince someone from the middle-ages that man will one day go to the moon and there aren’t any witches casting spells on the population. It’s the same thing. There’s this almost gasp of surprise that an unbeliever would dare to challenge the indoctrinated narrative. Isn't it strange that tens of millions who voted for Obama suddenly became racists and Nazis overnight when they voted for Trump.

We live in what’s termed as a post-revolutionary age. What that means is that revolutions and coups take place without the former bloodshed and violence and go almost un-noticed. The European Union is one such example and in the US Obama’s identity politics is another. A full decade plus after Obama some are still incredulously scratching their heads and didn’t even notice that Obama was a cultural Marxist and wonder why the US is now so divided along political lines. The suppression of disagreement, political correctness, the dumbing down of education, the lack of serious based reality debate … Modern day revolutions don’t come with a red flag on a barricade anymore.

We’ve now reached a point of no return in the west and the chaos around us has no parallel by which the final results can be measured or compared. Another shooter goes on the rampage; Satanists erect statues; drug epidemics; open borders … What cultural Marxism sought to produce is the change from class to culture to produce chaos and it succeeded. The idea of the left to ‘take over the institutions’ started to gain popularity from the 60s onwards and what we’re seeing now are the results. In a sense Obama was the Messiah of the left and sent his indoctrinated disciples out into the streets under the guise of Antifa and minority identities to preach the gospel of the hard line left. If you were born around the year 2000 whether you acknowledge it or not, the Obama years had a lasting influence on you, just as the narcissism of the 60s had an effect on the immediate post-war generation.

PM Blair in Britain was a Trotskyist in his University days and current leader of the opposition Corbyn, a communist. In America Obama is a cultural Marxist, Clinton a former Alinskyite and Sanders a Maoist. The indoctrinated don’t understand what that means, but the results of that are all around them.
 
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#46
If you read your own linked articles fully, you would have learned that "Cultural" Marxism IS NOT Marxism!
I disagree with that first author's take - coining a term "Economic" Marxism, since Marxism was intended to be fleshed out as a comprehensive social philosophy for modern life.
Cultural Marxism....a term created as a pejorative, is not supported or promoted by any Marxists, since Marxist philosophy is based on the premise that people of all nations from all races, genders, cultures and ethnicities are part of an international working class. And that working class identity should supercede any and all other identities. This is why Marxists address each other as "comrade" and not 'brother or sister' as religious communities would. In Marxism, even male and female identity takes a backseat. And this is why cultural marxism and its overriding concerns about identity are held by wealthy and upper middle class liberals who don't have or share much economic troubles or disadvantages. Liberals with money and economic privilege are free to focus on the culture wars....just like the wealthy, privileged conservatives they do battle with!

This mistake by highly promoted conservative idealogues is a major, major reason why Jordan Peterson was eviscerated and looked like a fool when he stepped up to debate a real Marxist intellectual - Slavoj Zizek earlier in the year. Peterson revealed that he knew nothing and never read much of anything about Marxism in that debate when he started out with his usual tropes he uses against liberals conflating Marxism with Cultural Marxism!

The 2nd link is pure rubbish! It just tries to lump everything today's right doesn't like into one category. Not only are leftwing movements over the ages not the same or even in agreement on the same issues and principles, fascism is clearly a poliitical movement of the right! We can clearly see this today as people lose faith in the democratic process (for good reason) and the oligarchs who run America and international capitalism begin to fear a much larger working class of people who are noticing that meritocracy is a fraud that will not work for them or their children in the future! So, the oligarchs get behind some "strongman" they have chosen to rule and win at least a portion of the non-wealthy classes by appeals to religion, nationalism, race and ethnicity.
Cultural Marxism isn’t Marxism? The term ‘culture’ arises because the left abandoned the class struggle. That’s the only difference. Marxism isn’t a social philosophy, it’s a reaction to what Marx saw as a class struggle against the exploitative capitalist system. There’s no magic about Marxism and no right wing plot. It’s not even called Marxism anymore because that changed top progressivism and why it has fooled so many people. You’re not supposed to understand that, you’re meant to be attracted by the lure of it. Yes, you’re right that fascism is the reaction. Liberal fascism or corporate fascism, left or right – take your pick and that’s the divide you’re now seeing in the US.

By the way, one of the linked articles you mention, 'Cultural Marxism - Social Chaos' is mine. I'm the author. Read it and learn and If you want to discuss it, feel free.
 
Aug 2019
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#47
"Homosexual communist"? You're completely delusional. This is extreme even for a crazy right winger. Buh-bye, off to ignore you go. I do not have time for people like you.
No great loss BP. Never mind politics in general; knowledge of even your own country’s politics is so basic it’s a struggle to engage with you.

Obama is an embarrassment to the left now, but you must be one of the few people left in the world who didn’t know what Obama was. Perhaps you were too young, or maybe in your case the indoctrination worked too well? Let’s refresh your memory.

Is Barack Obama the Messiah?

“He ventured forth to bring light to the world: The anointed one's pilgrimage to the Holy Land is a miracle in action - and a blessing to all his faithful followers.“ Gerard Baker. Times UK. July 25, 2008.

“He made so many promises, we thought that he was going to be – I shouldn’t say this at Christmastime, but – the next messiah.“ Barbara Walters interview with Piers Morgan, 2013.

Even the former communists at Pravda were warning America about Obama.

Obama's Soviet Mistake

“He is a Communist without question promoting the Communist Manifesto without calling it so. How shrewd he is in America. His cult of personality mesmerizes those who cannot go beyond their ignorance. They will continue to follow him like those fools who still praise Lenin and Stalin in Russia. Obama's fools and Stalin's fools share the same drink of illusion.“

Books have been written about him.

https://www.amazon.com/Communist-Marshall-Untold-Barack-Obamas/dp/1452659206

“In his memoir, Barack Obama omits the full name of his mentor, simply calling him "Frank." Now, the truth is out: Never has a figure as deeply troubling and controversial as Frank Marshall Davis had such an impact on the development of an American president. Although other radical influences on Obama—from Jeremiah Wright to Bill Ayers …“

This is the real Obama


To say there were no racists and Nazis when people voted for Obama, but they suddenly became so when they didn't continue to vote Democrat is called sarcasm. :rolleyes:
 
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#48
Cultural Marxism isn’t Marxism? The term ‘culture’ arises because the left abandoned the class struggle. That’s the only difference.
Who is THE LEFT?
I said before that liberal intellectuals abandone the class struggle, or more correctly, were never part of a class struggle, because they have always been part of a petite bourgeoisie or even ruling class bourgeoisie, who either feel guilt because of their relative comforts not shared by the majority, or like a Warren Buffet, decries the fact that his secretary pays more in income taxes than he does...because of excessively generous investment income rules and business write-offs. That self-flagellation by Buffet seems to impress the Liberal Class but few others, because Buffet isn't going to do a damn thing about it....except maybe call on his media mouthpieces and political hacks to do a little tinkering around the edges!

what they and alarmed rightwingers...still trying to push that meritocracy bs are afraid of now, is that, at a time when the fastest growing job category in America pays $24000 or less, there is a gathering of working people who don't buy it!
Marxism isn’t a social philosophy, it’s a reaction to what Marx saw as a class struggle against the exploitative capitalist system.
It goes much further than that! Since Marx and Engels and their followers saw their task as trying to build a framework for how a post-capitalist society would function after class struggle was no longer a factor.
Marxism uses a methodology, now known as historical materialism, to analyze and critique the development of class society and especially of capitalism as well as the role of class struggles in systemic economic, social, and political change. According to Marxist theory, in capitalist societies, class conflict arises due to contradictions between the material interests of the oppressed and exploited proletariat—a class of wage labourers employed to produce goods and services—and the bourgeoisie—the ruling class that owns the means of production and extracts its wealth through appropriation of the surplus product produced by the proletariat in the form of profit.​
While Cultural Marxism:

In contemporary usage, the term Cultural Marxism refers to an anti-semitic conspiracy theory which claims that the Frankfurt School is part of an ongoing academic and intellectual effort to undermine and destroy Western culture.[49] According to the conspiracy theory, which emerged in the late 1990s, the Frankfurt School and other Marxist theorists were part of a conspiracy to attack Western society by undermining traditionalist conservatism using the 1960s counterculture, multiculturalism, progressive politics and political correctness.[50][51][52]
This conspiracy theory is associated with American religious paleoconservatives such as William S. Lind, Pat Buchanan, and Paul Weyrich; but also holds currency among the alt-right, white nationalist groups, and the neo-reactionary movement.[53][54]
In 1998 Weyrich presented his version of the Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory in a speech to the Conservative Leadership Conference of the Civitas Institute and then published the speech in his syndicated Culture war letter.[55] At Weyrich's request, William S. Lind wrote a short history of his conception of Cultural Marxism for the Free Congress Foundation; in it Lind identifies the presence of openly gay people on television as proof of Cultural Marxist control over the mass media and claims that Herbert Marcuse considered a coalition of "blacks, students, feminist women, and homosexuals" as a vanguard of cultural revolution.[50][51][56]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School#Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory​
There’s no magic about Marxism and no right wing plot. It’s not even called Marxism anymore because that changed top progressivism and why it has fooled so many people. You’re not supposed to understand that, you’re meant to be attracted by the lure of it. Yes, you’re right that fascism is the reaction. Liberal fascism or corporate fascism, left or right – take your pick and that’s the divide you’re now seeing in the US.

By the way, one of the linked articles you mention, 'Cultural Marxism - Social Chaos' is mine. I'm the author. Read it and learn and If you want to discuss it, feel free.
Well, you sure seem to be pretty full of yourself! Like we've all come here to learn from you, cause you got all the answers!
If that is your writing, you haven't shown that you're any more than a pseudo-intellectual like so many others online and that populate rightwing media.

Do you ever read or talk to people who aren't part of the rightwing bubble?
 
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Who is THE LEFT?
I said before that liberal intellectuals abandone the class struggle, or more correctly, were never part of a class struggle, because they have always been part of a petite bourgeoisie or even ruling class bourgeoisie, who either feel guilt because of their relative comforts not shared by the majority, or like a Warren Buffet, decries the fact that his secretary pays more in income taxes than he does...because of excessively generous investment income rules and business write-offs. That self-flagellation by Buffet seems to impress the Liberal Class but few others, because Buffet isn't going to do a damn thing about it....except maybe call on his media mouthpieces and political hacks to do a little tinkering around the edges!

what they and alarmed rightwingers...still trying to push that meritocracy bs are afraid of now, is that, at a time when the fastest growing job category in America pays $24000 or less, there is a gathering of working people who don't buy it!

It goes much further than that! Since Marx and Engels and their followers saw their task as trying to build a framework for how a post-capitalist society would function after class struggle was no longer a factor.
Marxism uses a methodology, now known as historical materialism, to analyze and critique the development of class society and especially of capitalism as well as the role of class struggles in systemic economic, social, and political change. According to Marxist theory, in capitalist societies, class conflict arises due to contradictions between the material interests of the oppressed and exploited proletariat—a class of wage labourers employed to produce goods and services—and the bourgeoisie—the ruling class that owns the means of production and extracts its wealth through appropriation of the surplus product produced by the proletariat in the form of profit.​
While Cultural Marxism:

In contemporary usage, the term Cultural Marxism refers to an anti-semitic conspiracy theory which claims that the Frankfurt School is part of an ongoing academic and intellectual effort to undermine and destroy Western culture.[49] According to the conspiracy theory, which emerged in the late 1990s, the Frankfurt School and other Marxist theorists were part of a conspiracy to attack Western society by undermining traditionalist conservatism using the 1960s counterculture, multiculturalism, progressive politics and political correctness.[50][51][52]
This conspiracy theory is associated with American religious paleoconservatives such as William S. Lind, Pat Buchanan, and Paul Weyrich; but also holds currency among the alt-right, white nationalist groups, and the neo-reactionary movement.[53][54]
In 1998 Weyrich presented his version of the Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory in a speech to the Conservative Leadership Conference of the Civitas Institute and then published the speech in his syndicated Culture war letter.[55] At Weyrich's request, William S. Lind wrote a short history of his conception of Cultural Marxism for the Free Congress Foundation; in it Lind identifies the presence of openly gay people on television as proof of Cultural Marxist control over the mass media and claims that Herbert Marcuse considered a coalition of "blacks, students, feminist women, and homosexuals" as a vanguard of cultural revolution.[50][51][56]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School#Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory​

Well, you sure seem to be pretty full of yourself! Like we've all come here to learn from you, cause you got all the answers!
If that is your writing, you haven't shown that you're any more than a pseudo-intellectual like so many others online and that populate rightwing media.

Do you ever read or talk to people who aren't part of the rightwing bubble?

I’ve not asked anyone to learn from me and if you don’t agree with what I write that’s fine by me. Part of my job was teaching social and political science for many years in a communist country, which doesn’t mean I know it all, but it does mean I know Googled hard left indoctrinated nonsense when I read it. It also means that I’ve studied Marxism at post-graduate university level probably before you were born and some of my previous managers were real communist political officers in the CCP, not an indoctrinated generation with soft empty heads. Do I know what Marxism or Maoism is? Yes, I’ve lived under it.

From the lost generation of the 60s influenced by characters such as Alinsky and Marcuse, they’ve managed to do it again with your generation. It’s why I can write about it and you’re still at the Google/Wiki level.

Don't ever try to find a job teaching politics outside America because you’d be laughed at. Yet you’re right to suggest there is a right wing backlash which is completely normal following eight years of Obama’s cultural chaos. What else did you expect?

I’m neither extreme left or extreme right in an American polarized society and I’ll pile into the extreme right in due course. When I have an odd hour spare I explain to those who are wondering what’s going on and as I said, if you don’t like it that’s OK, but spare me the indoctrinated nonsense. Which reminds me to do a quick thread on indoctrinated liberal fascism containing a few home truths.
 

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