When will the RW finally admit it?

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Seriously, when is congress going to get serious and start impeachment? It’s way past time. The Supreme Court said no! No means no. But I guess Trump doesn’t know what “no” means, just ask some of his female victims.
You seem to have the impression that SCOTUS is the POTUS's boss. They're not; they're co-equal branches of the government. Or, maybe you don't get that they're saying "no" to something specific, how something is being done - as in it was being done without an EO & now he's apparently going to issue an EO, and the SCOTUS might say "oh, ok; that's fine to do it that way - with an EO." If a case is brought afterwards to fight the EO, and the SCOTUS rules that the EO is unconstitutional, and Trump still continues with putting the question on the census, then and only then would Trump be crossing the line and subjecting himself to legitimately being impeached.

If the Democrat majority House votes to impeach Trump for a political motive or agenda, then the Republican majority Senate will probably simply respond in kind by voting not to convict Trump.
 
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The problem with fascists wasn't about them wanting to print something on a piece of paper. It was about them wanting to put guns to people's heads to impose their socialism.

:rolleyes:

Well first, not all Fascists are socialist !!! Some are quite the capitalists !! Two, they didn't START with the gun to the head. They started with questions on forms and little laws that slowly nibbled away at people rights. Hitler didn't start with rounding up the Jews. He first made them identify themselves on "official forms" !! Then slowly, and over time, ramped up the abuse.
 
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No shit, he's allowed to write EO.
But, can he write one for the express purpose of circumventing a SCOTUS ruling he does not like?
If he can ignore the Congress and the SCOTUS simply by writing an EO that would pretty much make him a dictator ruling by devree, would it not?
Again, the right doesn't care. The ends justify the means. Our laws don't matter to them, nor does our constitution.
 
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No shit, he's allowed to write EO.
But, can he write one for the express purpose of circumventing a SCOTUS ruling he does not like?
If he can ignore the Congress and the SCOTUS simply by writing an EO that would pretty much make him a dictator ruling by devree, would it not?
I would think so, that he can "circumvent" (as you put it) the SCOTUS ruling. See my reply in post # 11 (to leekohler2) for more detail.

He's actually not ignoring Congress; on the contrary. They passed the Voting Rights Act, and Trump is doing his job being a responsible POTUS by putting the question on the census to enforce that law. It's just due diligence for him to issue an EO, given that it's an option that his advisors (I'm assuming) have pointed out to him.

He's not a dictator; all this is a game to try to get him to make one false move so his adversaries can have an excuse to cry "DERELICTION OF DUTY! DERELICTION OF DUTY!" for not using all the tools he has to enforce the law. They'll say "you should've put that question on the census using EO, but you didn't, so we gotcha now! HA HA!"

Don't misconstrue what I'm saying with the notion that no EO would make one a dictator; there's a checklist that has to be met before we get to that point.
 
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Executive order, which is what they're allowed to do. Does issuing executive orders make a president a dictator?
Yes, if what he is doing has been declared illegal by the Supreme Court of the United States!!!!

Are you (really?) that dense?

You do understand the final word on legality in the United States is the Supreme Court and not the fat orange turd, right?
 
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You seem to have the impression that SCOTUS is the POTUS's boss. They're not; they're co-equal branches of the government. Or, maybe you don't get that they're saying "no" to something specific, how something is being done - as in it was being done without an EO & now he's apparently going to issue an EO, and the SCOTUS might say "oh, ok; that's fine to do it that way - with an EO." If a case is brought afterwards to fight the EO, and the SCOTUS rules that the EO is unconstitutional, and Trump still continues with putting the question on the census, then and only then would Trump be crossing the line and subjecting himself to legitimately being impeached.

If the Democrat majority House votes to impeach Trump for a political motive or agenda, then the Republican majority Senate will probably simply respond in kind by voting not to convict Trump.
Do you understand that our founding fathers implemented what some people refer to as Checks and Balances?

While SCOTUS is not "the boss" of POTUS, they clearly have a say in some of what he does.

Furthermore, your scenario is just plain wrong. SCOTUS has already established that what Trump wants to do is wrong.
 
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Do you understand that our founding fathers implemented what some people refer to as Checks and Balances?

While SCOTUS is not "the boss" of POTUS, they clearly have a say in some of what he does.

Furthermore, your scenario is just plain wrong. SCOTUS has already established that what Trump wants to do is wrong.
Oh, he understands, he just does not like the US system of government.
 
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Well first, not all Fascists are socialist !!!
Well, I apparently don't know any better, because the way I understand it they are & I have tried to find out from those who call themselves socialists what socialism actually is - something I could use to determine whether or not fascism is socialism (or vice versa). Some would burp up some dictionary definition, but there's nothing in any dictionary definition that I recall or am aware of that states that not all fascists are socialists.

Some are quite the capitalists !!
Socialism is a branch of capitalism; there's free market capitalism, and there's socialism (central planning, or command and control - in other words not free market).

This notion that socialism and capitalism are distinct or mutually exclusive comes from sophistry, from what I've been able to find.

It's as if there's this "if you don't know what socialism is then I'm not going to tell you what it is" attitude by those who call themselves socialists, which itself doesn't make sense.

Two, they didn't START with the gun to the head. They started with questions on forms and little laws that slowly nibbled away at people rights. Hitler didn't start with rounding up the Jews. He first made them identify themselves on "official forms" !! Then slowly, and over time, ramped up the abuse.
I'm speaking rather figuratively when I say "gun to the head"; do you think there wasn't the threat of force all along from Hitler for such a questionnaire? You're comparing apples and oranges by trying to equate "Are you a Jew?" to "Are you a US Citizen?" There's nothing wrong with asking whether or not someone's a US Citizen, particularly when it comes to things like who's going to get this or that perk, or money from the taxpayers. Even if you think the two types of questions are the same, maybe you're blaming the wrong person if you want to pin it on Trump; Congress created the Voting Rights Act, so maybe you ought to pin the blame on Congress.
 
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LMAO

He wants to add a question to the census and that makes him a dictator? Does it not strike you how silly that sounds & comes across, to say that he's a dictator because he wants to print something on a piece of paper?

:rolleyes:
Another RW who totally disregards the rule of law. Why is that not surprising given how their messiah operates.
 
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