Why Are Women SO Pissed?

Dec 2015
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#1
Men ask why women are so pissed off. Even guys with wives and daughters. Jackson Katz, a prominent social researcher, illustrates why. He's done it with hundreds of audiences:

"I draw a line down the middle of a chalkboard, sketching a male symbol on one side and a female symbol on the other.
Then I ask just the men: What steps do you guys take, on a daily basis, to prevent yourselves from being sexually assaulted? At first, there is a kind of awkward silence as the men try to figure out if they've been asked a trick question. The silence gives way to a smattering of nervous laughter. Occasionally, a young a guy will raise his hand and say, 'I stay out of prison.' This is typically followed by another moment of laughter before someone finally raises his hand and soberly states, 'Nothing. I don't think about it.'
Then I ask the women the same question. What steps do you take on a daily basis to prevent yourselves from being sexually assaulted? Women throughout the audience immediately start raising their hands. As the men sit in stunned silence, the women recount safety precautions they take as part of their daily routine.
Hold my keys as a potential weapon. Look in the back seat of the car before getting in. Carry a cell phone. Don't go jogging at night. Lock all the windows when I sleep, even on hot summer nights. Be careful not to drink too much. Don't put my drink down and come back to it; make sure I see it being poured. Own a big dog. Carry Mace or pepper spray. Have an unlisted phone number. Have a man's voice on my answering machine. Park in well-lit areas. Don't use parking garages. Don't get on elevators with only one man, or with a group of men. Vary my route home from work.
Watch what I wear. Don't use highway rest areas. Use a home alarm system. Don't wear headphones when jogging. Avoid forests or wooded areas, even in the daytime. Don't take the first-floor apartment. Go out in groups. Own a firearm. Meet men on first dates in public places. Make sure to have a car or cab fare. Don't make eye contact with men on the street. Make assertive eye contact with men on the street.”

― Jackson Katz, The Macho Paradox: Why Some Men Hurt Women and How All Men Can Help
 
Jun 2018
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#3
Those are good practices and I approve of them. My question is how many responses from women would you have gotten 60 yrs ago? Would they have been substantially different than those given by men? Women have been thru a rather intense, to the point of hysteria, training regime that has fostered their responses. It's impossible to really tell if there are more assaults per capita pops now than then because of the hilighting of the issue as well. Women are more likely to bring charges now than they were in days gone by. In the 80s and 90s I noticed a marked behaviour change in women in general public situations like the elevator example. It was puzzling to me until it was explained by my daughter that women were being trained to do this. I was saddened that women were in such a mental state as to feel a need to react in that way. She explained that it wasn't me, it was situational awareness on their part that was causing it. I took it for what it was and moved on. I've never attacked a woman, or anyone else for that matter, so I knew I hadn't left my fly open or was unknowingly sending some body language signal etc.
Good subject.
 
Apr 2013
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#4
Those are good practices and I approve of them. My question is how many responses from women would you have gotten 60 yrs ago? Would they have been substantially different than those given by men? Women have been thru a rather intense, to the point of hysteria, training regime that has fostered their responses. It's impossible to really tell if there are more assaults per capita pops now than then because of the hilighting of the issue as well. Women are more likely to bring charges now than they were in days gone by. In the 80s and 90s I noticed a marked behaviour change in women in general public situations like the elevator example. It was puzzling to me until it was explained by my daughter that women were being trained to do this. I was saddened that women were in such a mental state as to feel a need to react in that way. She explained that it wasn't me, it was situational awareness on their part that was causing it. I took it for what it was and moved on. I've never attacked a woman, or anyone else for that matter, so I knew I hadn't left my fly open or was unknowingly sending some body language signal etc.
Good subject.
Although you are probably correct about the response from women probably being way different 60 years ago, the reason is that back then there was even less probability of a woman either being believed, taken seriously or having it considered other than a man's due back then.

Fortunately, things have changed.
 
Dec 2017
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#5
Men ask why women are so pissed off. Even guys with wives and daughters. Jackson Katz, a prominent social researcher, illustrates why. He's done it with hundreds of audiences:

"I draw a line down the middle of a chalkboard, sketching a male symbol on one side and a female symbol on the other.
Then I ask just the men: What steps do you guys take, on a daily basis, to prevent yourselves from being sexually assaulted? At first, there is a kind of awkward silence as the men try to figure out if they've been asked a trick question. The silence gives way to a smattering of nervous laughter. Occasionally, a young a guy will raise his hand and say, 'I stay out of prison.' This is typically followed by another moment of laughter before someone finally raises his hand and soberly states, 'Nothing. I don't think about it.'
Then I ask the women the same question. What steps do you take on a daily basis to prevent yourselves from being sexually assaulted? Women throughout the audience immediately start raising their hands. As the men sit in stunned silence, the women recount safety precautions they take as part of their daily routine.
Hold my keys as a potential weapon. Look in the back seat of the car before getting in. Carry a cell phone. Don't go jogging at night. Lock all the windows when I sleep, even on hot summer nights. Be careful not to drink too much. Don't put my drink down and come back to it; make sure I see it being poured. Own a big dog. Carry Mace or pepper spray. Have an unlisted phone number. Have a man's voice on my answering machine. Park in well-lit areas. Don't use parking garages. Don't get on elevators with only one man, or with a group of men. Vary my route home from work.
Watch what I wear. Don't use highway rest areas. Use a home alarm system. Don't wear headphones when jogging. Avoid forests or wooded areas, even in the daytime. Don't take the first-floor apartment. Go out in groups. Own a firearm. Meet men on first dates in public places. Make sure to have a car or cab fare. Don't make eye contact with men on the street. Make assertive eye contact with men on the street.”

― Jackson Katz, The Macho Paradox: Why Some Men Hurt Women and How All Men Can Help
@Clara007

You are one woman, you do not speak nor understand the mentality of women generally--I know ladies that agree with me, not you. What I find so bizarre about the sexual dynamics in the current culture is that, overwhelmingly, it is the most sexually quaky people out there pushing for and demanding all of these very odd, arguably tyrannical, "new rules" as it relates to male-female romantic relationships. That is, it is the people watching a bunch of freaky pornography addictions, Hollywood movies where two people meet on the street and the next scene they are having sex in a bathroom stall (with a stranger), etc. etc. and then go manifest this kind of behavior out in the world who are overwhelmingly the people pushing for this kind of stuff. Your projecting your sexual derangement onto other people, and demanding that the legal system conform to it--even for those who are much more on the traditionalist side of the spectrum. If a male accidently brushes up against to you on a crowded bus, in passing on the street, pats a female colleague on the shoulder at work, etc. etc. does not in any way mean they are mentally inches away from "Hollywood cut-scene bathroom sex".

Now, as far as self-defense, everyone, male & female, should be thinking and taking active steps toward their health and safety. It is called, personal ownership.
 
Jul 2014
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In my book club we just finished Beartown, which is about the rape of a young girl by a classmate, who happens to be the towns star athlete, she goes to the police, a week after the incident, (no physical evidence remains), he gets pulled off the team bus, heading for the Championship Game, the hockey team loses the championship, and the town sides with the boy, the police won't press charges. So after spending all that time reading about the dynamics of a situation, suddenly that situation is in the headlines.

I think the narrative that is driving the high level of interest in this is that the abusers appeared to have been knocked down a peg over the last decade. The arc of history was bending towards justice, at least it seemed that way.
And here's an angry little drunk weeny waver who is getting his ticket to the Supreme Court punched by people who actually say "Of course we take the allegation seriously, and we'll hear from Dr. Ford right before we put Kavanaugh on the court, (because we really don't give a shit, he's a man,she's a woman, OK?) "
 
Dec 2015
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Arizona
#7
In my book club we just finished Beartown, which is about the rape of a young girl by a classmate, who happens to be the towns star athlete, she goes to the police, a week after the incident, (no physical evidence remains), he gets pulled off the team bus, heading for the Championship Game, the hockey team loses the championship, and the town sides with the boy, the police won't press charges. So after spending all that time reading about the dynamics of a situation, suddenly that situation is in the headlines.

I think the narrative that is driving the high level of interest in this is that the abusers appeared to have been knocked down a peg over the last decade. The arc of history was bending towards justice, at least it seemed that way.
And here's an angry little drunk weeny waver who is getting his ticket to the Supreme Court punched by people who actually say "Of course we take the allegation seriously, and we'll hear from Dr. Ford right before we put Kavanaugh on the court, (because we really don't give a shit, he's a man,she's a woman, OK?) "

I read Beartown. It's quite the story! Did you read "A Man Called Ove"?? Backman--- Loved it.
 
Dec 2015
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12,114
Arizona
#8
@Clara007

You are one woman, you do not speak nor understand the mentality of women generally--I know ladies that agree with me, not you. What I find so bizarre about the sexual dynamics in the current culture is that, overwhelmingly, it is the most sexually quaky people out there pushing for and demanding all of these very odd, arguably tyrannical, "new rules" as it relates to male-female romantic relationships. That is, it is the people watching a bunch of freaky pornography addictions, Hollywood movies where two people meet on the street and the next scene they are having sex in a bathroom stall (with a stranger), etc. etc. and then go manifest this kind of behavior out in the world who are overwhelmingly the people pushing for this kind of stuff. Your projecting your sexual derangement onto other people, and demanding that the legal system conform to it--even for those who are much more on the traditionalist side of the spectrum. If a male accidently brushes up against to you on a crowded bus, in passing on the street, pats a female colleague on the shoulder at work, etc. etc. does not in any way mean they are mentally inches away from "Hollywood cut-scene bathroom sex".

Now, as far as self-defense, everyone, male & female, should be thinking and taking active steps toward their health and safety. It is called, personal ownership.

I should be excoriated because of a study? By a social researcher? That I shared on DTT? Just exactly how does THAT make any sense?
You have serious issues, dude.