Would you want an NHS?

How should health care be treated

  • 1) a human right provided for by the government and paid for with tax dollars

    Votes: 6 50.0%
  • 2) not a right but the government should play a role in making health care affordable and available

    Votes: 6 50.0%
  • 3) up to the individual and private charity and in no way a right

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 4) we live till we die , why not make free ice cream a right?

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    12
Dec 2018
2,709
851
New England
You would prefer that there were no licensing or oversight of physicians, hospitals, or pharmacies? That is all regulation.
An unregulated and "free market" in medicine is an 18th century idea. This is the 21st century. Look up "Flexner Report" and see what a "free market" did to physician training.
Same mistake, again.
 
Dec 2018
2,709
851
New England
There is more than just the US health system, various governments over the past 150 years both left and right wing throughout the world have accepted that a free market system doesn't work for health because private health insurers don't want to deal with the sick and poor.
Which is where the subsidies come in. It provisions the poor with money, which is what the for-profit enterprises seek.
 
Dec 2018
2,709
851
New England
You have the entire process mixed up. The effort at government regulation does not come first. The "free markets" fail and need to be rescued or resuscitated by government regulation. If you have any doubts about the value of regulation, I suggest you spend some time in a time machine and visit factories, financial institutions, meat packing plants, chemical plants, mining, and lumber industries of the 19th or 20th century. Perhaps you do not oppose child labor, worker exploitation or unsafe employment or bank failures and favor monopolies and worker exploitation. Might as well throw in racial discrimination in employment, education, commerce and housing to achieve the ideal "free market" you seem to envision.
And a third strike. You're out.
 
Nov 2018
3,910
1,933
Inner Space
And a third strike. You're out.
The central requirement for most conserva-tarian thinking is to shut out any concept that cuts too close to the bone and exposes the inherent error in libertarian politics. Did it ever occur to you to wonder why there is NO "free market" and NO "free enterprise".... anywhere? Every social structure requires a method of balancing personal advantage against the cost to the society. Libertarianism, which is the modern foundation of lassaiz faire capitalism is only a self-indulgent rationalization for cupidity..
 
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Jul 2014
14,384
8,734
massachusetts
I agree with you; no one should go bankrupt paying for healthcare. That does not equate to an argument for a single payer system, IMO. Markets are more efficient than centrally planed and managed industries; it's been proven time and again all over the world.
The absence of "free markets" in health care is directly caused by the failure of free markets in heath care, government is just filling a void.
The idea that markets are always superior to central planning is as dogmatic and as wrong as the idea that central planning is always superior to markets.
A hybrid economy works best, letting markets do what markets do best, and letting planners do what planners do best.
 
Nov 2018
3,910
1,933
Inner Space
The absence of "free markets" in health care is directly caused by the failure of free markets in heath care, government is just filling a void.
The idea that markets are always superior to central planning is as dogmatic and as wrong as the idea that central planning is always superior to markets.
A hybrid economy works best, letting markets do what markets do best, and letting planners do what planners do best.
Well described. I agree completely.
 
Dec 2016
5,201
2,654
Canada
Sorry, you're talking to a charter parent. We need more school choice, not less. Market based solutions are exactly what public education needs.
School choice! Do you mean segregation choice? Because according to stats of the last 10 years, American schools are more segregated now than they were when school integration first began. So, many parents exercise their 'choice' by putting their kids into segregated charter and private schools...yeah for choice!

And then there's the problem of what to do with the 'refuse'....the kids who don't qualify for admission to the charter school, which can pick and choose who it takes/who it does not!

Third objection: THE MONEY! Private interests...like America's sec. of education for one, have profited immensely by taking "vouchers" from public taxes to educate students in their schools, and find freeenterprizing ways to turn a profit...a big profit in fact! It's bad enough having a gross disparity in the amount of money available for public education because school taxes are collected from local county governments, but making educating children the kind of profit-driven enterprize advanced college and university education has become provides one more avenue for private interests to grind us all down for profits!
 
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Nov 2018
3,910
1,933
Inner Space
School choice! Do you mean segregation choice? Because according to stats of the last 10 years, American schools are more segregated now than they were when school integration first began. So, many parents exercise their 'choice' by putting their kids into segregated charter and private schools...yeah for choice!

And then there's the problem of what to do with the 'refuse'....the kids who don't qualify for admission to the charter school, which can pick and choose who it takes/who it does not!

Third objection: THE MONEY! Private interests...like America's sec. of education for one, have profited immensely by taking "vouchers" from public taxes to educate students in their schools, and find freeenterprizing ways to turn a profit...a big profit in fact!
Charter schools are a parasitic disease that siphons off the best students and indirectly destroys traditional public schools.
 
Dec 2016
5,201
2,654
Canada
The central requirement for most conserva-tarian thinking is to shut out any concept that cuts too close to the bone and exposes the inherent error in libertarian politics. Did it ever occur to you to wonder why there is NO "free market" and NO "free enterprise".... anywhere? Every social structure requires a method of balancing personal advantage against the cost to the society. Libertarianism, which is the modern foundation of lassaiz faire capitalism is only a self-indulgent rationalization for cupidity..
My beef with libertarians is I shouldn't have to pay to defend your money and your property!
 
Dec 2018
2,709
851
New England
The absence of "free markets" in health care is directly caused by the failure of free markets in heath care, government is just filling a void.
The idea that markets are always superior to central planning is as dogmatic and as wrong as the idea that central planning is always superior to markets.
A hybrid economy works best, letting markets do what markets do best, and letting planners do what planners do best.
We can debate what "hybrid" in this context means until the cows come home. Where government decides, as with the ACA, who can sell, what must be sold, what cannot be sold, what prices should be charged, who can and cannot buy which item, and who must buy which item then a "market" does not exist in any meaningful sense of the term.
 

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